Cheers for the input guys. Bricktop, good posts mate, cheers.

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perception very rarely follows reality as most adults know.creative marketing will often get you places the quality of your product wont,but you can only fool so many so often.for me its hard to sift through so many sites,opinions.whom do you trust on the internet?good genetics is only gonna help my meager knowledge.but shit their are so many opinions i guess it comes down to your own knowledge as to what you percieve to be the best bang for your buck is.

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SweetyBoy

If I fully understood you I would agree to a point. Perception does to a point shape reality but it cannot override it unless we are talking about someone who might believe themselves to be the king of a clandestine miniature nation found below the floorboards in his bathroom.
　
Certain things are not ones of perception but instead thing totally involving the actual perception of proven solid fact. If someone believes otherwise just because that is their perception it does not create a new reality making them right or creates some parallel alternate reality making both beliefs right.
　
It only means they were wrong.

I believe everyone should make their best attempt to get the most bang for their buck and I think that is what bugs me so when I see something become the rage for a while and then the whole line takes on an aura of quality by association and it takes off when it was all based on someone’s perception and not on a reality and in the process many become blinded to many really great strains that while not always among those that might be considered to be the most inexpensive are still so good for their price that is amazes me how so few people will talk about them or begin to consider them during their strain searching process.
　
The problem is that the perception of many is to limiting. They place to much importance on certain things and to little importance on others and they end up with a mediocre but really keep strain that they then cover up their actual displeasure with by saying it was a matter of personal preference and they loved what they purchased.
　
Yep, they don’t say .. well they sure got me with that one … I was slickered that time ….. they bamboozled me right good.
　
Instead they save face and pull a restaurant critic act and write a rave review in return for the free meal the place tossed in the night he brought his mistress there to eat that will assure the next time he takes his wife there none of the staff will comment on the difference in his female company that night.
　
Everyone comes out smelling like a rose, no one looks bad and the perpetuation of the fame of the mediocre strain and the entire line it is part of continues and increases.

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i kinda equate it to buying a car.sure certain brands make lines that are percieved to be a good vehicle,however at the end of the days its still a hyundai or whatever.that still doesnt mean the consumer isnt happy w/ their purchase and hasnt gotten good value.the seed question can be debated on so many different levels,from different perspectives its a crapshot more often then not?plus you have to go on trust the stoner mailing your shit didnt get punched in the nuts by his girlfriend that morning for leaving cap off the toothpaste!

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SweetyBoy

I spent my life in sales and I know that something is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it … of course that excludes exceptions of crazy people who would offer $1.00 for a Mercedes Benz and then try to argue that is all it is worth to him so that is its true worth.
　
But just because someone is willing to pay a certain mount and is later happy with their purchase they received a value. It only means they were happy with their purchase.
　
If someone purchases a strain from Dewey, Cheatum & Howe Seedbank for $125.00 for a pack of 5 feminized beans and they grow them out and it is the best herb they ever smoked, they totally love it, they know they made the perfect decision as to what strain to pick. They are happy, they found a value for their dollar.
The following day they find that they could have purchased the exact same strain through Honest Abe’s Bean-Bank for $60.00. Will they still believe they received a value? They will still be every bit as much in love with the strain and before but their previously held perception of value for their dollar has been totally shattered.
　
Receiving value goes beyond the perception of joy or happiness.
　
When dealing with knockoffs the pricing difference will not be as vast as in my of course made up example, that is unless someone would factor in Doggies Nuts White Widow #1 with all the White Widow knockoffs but in some cases not a large amount of money, sometimes even saving it instead of spending more, can make a big difference in what you actually get for your dollar and that is where value is found.
　
That is unless personal preference is the only yardstick used to measure value. At that point all else goes out the door and regardless of price and value for that price, or a lack thereof the person is totally satisfied so they received a value and if basing everything on that and on that alone what you said would be perfectly accurate.

So you said you might have to be concerned of the stoner handling your order was, I believe you said, "punched in the nuts by his girlfriend." I am unsure if that means his eyes would still be watering and crossed so he would mess up your order or if he would be upset so he might be likely to take out his anger at his girlfriend by sending some stranger an inaccurate bean order or if it was something of a self loathing surfacing in what you wrote by calling the person handling the order a stoner so that means right there he or she cannot be all that dependable at best now, right? Maybe you walked by a mirror shortly before coming up with that one and it was in the back of your mind?
　
The what if game could be played both ways. What if the order the stoner is filling out is going to a girl with the same first name as his first love so to get back at the dame who nutted him he loads up the order with a few extra packs of this and that when no one is looking or maybe he does that with every female name order all day or all week as his quiet revenge?
　
If you are going to look for things to if they might happen so maybe I better concern yourself with them you better hope that the next time you go to Starbucks or maybe McDonalds where some female might be handling what you will eat and or drink and she happens to be PMSing and you by luck just happen to look like her boyfriend who left the toilet seat up last night … and may God help you over what she will do to whatever it is you will consume.
　
Hey, if you really need more to worry yourself over consider this.

While handing dollar bills or maybe even fives and tens and twenties did you ever stop to pause a moment and consider what the odds are that the bill you are presently holding was at some time or another in a strippers butt-crack?
　
Be sure to wash your hands after handling money.

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so....did serious seeds develop White Russian ?

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money is proably the filthest thing out there .ewwww!if my mind worked like that i wouldnt have the wonderful life i have.each an every day is a new experiance an to be enjoyed.ive been extremly blessed in my life.ive cheated both the law an death more than once.whatever/whenever i CHOOSE to respond here on riu is usually tongue ain cheek humor.different poeple take life differently as im sure we all realize.there is very little of an opinion written that cannot be attacked an made to look bad.i personnally have tried to be polite w/ you brick and engage you because as a grower you proably have very few peers.having said that im telling you your an ASSHOLE of the first degree an to fuck off!!do you have any family or friends,cause the way you are on here it doesnt seem possible.

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I have 2 types of White Rhino
1 from Greenhouse seeds is awsome, very fast growing with huge leaves and needs lots of nutes.
The other one is from Nirvana and it's totally crap, I planted 8 seeds 2 months ago and they are still only 6 inches high and I think I will trash them as not worth while.
Both strains were grown together in exactly the same way.
So in this instance I now believe in buying quality genetics.
But as Bricktop said, do some research, I've been thinking about White Widow and AK-47 and ended up buying Black Widow from Mr. Nice, and AK-47 from Serious Seeds, both of whom are the original breeders.
But all the knockoffs do make it confusing.

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The rest just think they know everything.