.:Vertical SCROG Log:. 3D Building Plans

**GreenLight** · 01-06-2009, 12:47 PM

Vertical SCROG :: Dimensions:5'x5'x7' :: 6' Cool Tube (2k HPS)
(80) 3 Gallon Pots :: Strain:TBA :: GH Nutrients :: Soil:Pro-mix
Pump feeding :: Co2 enriched :: Internal Carbon Scrubber
Harvest Goal: 6lbs

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Thanks for joining me again, this will be my second vertical room design. My first was an 8x8x8ft room with wood shelving and a 6ft. Cool tube. You can view that thread *here* I was hoping to harvest 6lbs but only got a little under 5. The new design should be much better and hopefully produce the 6lbs we were expecting.

So its hard to say what makes a grow room "better", my main goal is making it more "efficient". Highest yield, smallest space, shortest time, least power.

The new design will overcome the following flaws with the original design

Light Distance
Plants will now grow into netting placed at an optimal distance from the cool tube so that they absorb the maximum amount of lumens
Shelving
Wire shelving on chains will replace the heavy wood shelves. The shelves will be collapsible and light weight making them easy to set up and move quickly if needed. Water will drip into a simple poly plastic gutter that will allow the shelves to remain evenly horizontal.
Pots
Plants vegetating will be transplanted once they reach the length it would take them to reach the netting. They are then transplanted horizontally into pots with slots cut into them for the stalk. This will almost eliminate wasted space between shelves and allows for an extra tier. Plants then grow horizontally without having to tip the pots or train the stalk to grow in an unnatural curve that also would take more time.
Air Filtration
Space is tight but there is now space to incorporate a carbon scrubber within the room to keep the room odor free.
Access
Even at 8ft square it was very crowded in there. The frame of the room is divided into 2 triangles that come apart. Half of the room is stationary and the other half is on wheels. Latches will keep both sides sealed together but when they come apart not only are you able to reach all points of the room but you are able to take them apart for unlimited breathing room. So if your claustrophobic… there's your solution. This also makes it very easy to swap out the grow lights to incorporate MH or maybe even LEDs. The rolling side of the room can also be swapped with other rooms which I believe maybe useful somehow.

I have 2 weeks to improve on the design before we begin construction, I appreciate any input from the growing community. I will be updating the 3D model regularly as I ad more detail and make changes. Subscribe now, this thread is sure to be long and interesting.

**Big P** · 01-06-2009, 01:41 PM

damn green light your good

looks great I been eyeing your style grow and debating trying it. my prob i would have to redesign it for DWC Hyrdro

can you advise a good place to purchase a long cooltube?

**Big P** · 01-06-2009, 01:50 PM

so you topped out at 5lbs dry on your last damn

thats about 1.12 Grams/Watt right

and your shooting for 6 lbs

that would be 1.344

man I gotta get my Gram/Watt ratio higher, i think im at 0.75 gram/watt

im using GH nutes too. do you use any addatives with it? i use kool bloom as only addative besides some h202

**Smash** · 01-06-2009, 04:28 PM

Damn this is amazing, subscribed + rep

**FLoJo** · 01-06-2009, 07:22 PM

looking good.. gotta love the vert design.. ill be finding out what numbers mine pulls in about a month

**OregonMeds** · 01-06-2009, 07:43 PM

Doesn't really get much better than that. Nice work.

I'll be looking out for the finished product.

How will it open with so much weight though? It's hinged right? 40 3 gallon pots ea side wet are going to weigh a lot.

**eza82** · 01-06-2009, 07:58 PM

Hats off.......... look forward to the build....

**Grade** · 01-07-2009, 12:09 AM

sorry if i missed something, how you gonna transplant into the pots with holes for the stem?? surely the plant or root structure would have to be pushed through a small hole? just wondering on how you plan on doing this... looks AMAZING tho good work

Grade

**GreenLight** · 01-08-2009, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Big P

So you topped out at 5lbs dry on your last damn

To be exact I think we were closer to about 4.7 at the final weigh, during drying the sick person I was taking care of tried to steal about a lb but we caught him in time to convince him to bring it back. Even if he didn't give it all back I don't think it could have been more than 5lbs. We're moving now and I'll be very far away from any family I would have to take care of… woot!

I was always skeptical about the size of the room, I am sure that is the main reason we didn’t get a better harvest. At 8ftx8ft the plants were about 3 feet away from the cool tube. Making the room smaller would make it impossible to move around inside of it to handle the plants. This is why the room comes apart.

Originally Posted by Big P

I'm using GH nutes too. do you use any addatives with it?

Not all at once but my full list is GH, Calmag, Liquid Karma, Superthrive, and Root, Grow & Bloom stimulants from different companies that all seem the same to me. Ive tested using other things here and there but with all the focus Ive put in the room design I think I neglect tuning the feeding.

Any suggestions?

Originally Posted by Big P

can you advise a good place to purchase a long cooltube?

I had the guy at my hydro shop order one in, but you should really consider using individual single tubes and set them up together so that you can adjust the direction they point and the spacing. The 6' tubes force you to set up both bulbs pointing each other at the top and bottom of the tube. Doesn’t seem like it would matter much now but its better to have the extra control. Also if you can deal with the DIY project I heard that’s it’s a LOT cheaper to make it yourself from hurricane glass or something.

Originally Posted by OregonMeds

How will it open with so much weight though? It's hinged right? 40 3 gallon pots ea side wet are going to weigh a lot.

Not hinged, the side that comes off will be completely removable. The stationary side has 8 more pots making the loose side a little lighter. But the wheels I want to buy sound like they can hold a lot of weight, if I put enough of them Im sure it wont be a problem.

Originally Posted by Grade

how you gonna transplant into the pots with holes for the stem??

Once the vegging plants are tall enough to reach the cage if they were side ways I will remove it from its pot, turn it on its side and place it in the new pot side ways. The slot will be enough space for the stem, think of it like a horseshoe when it goes around the bar.
I hope this picture helps

**GreenLight** · 01-08-2009, 12:20 AM

Oh yeah, anyone have any suggestions yet?

Im working on designing my vegetation chamber, Wondering if I should do vertical there too or just start flat.

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