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Old 05-06-2007, 04:23 AM
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Default Cloning... the hard way
I haven't got any pic's of this as my gf has informed me the memory cards are in the shop and not getting collected till wednesday.

Anyway, I took a pair of scissors and topped my mother plant, quite a rough looking, very straight cut that I didn't tidy up. I haven't used rooting gel either, just stuck it straight into a 2" rockwool cube and then into a too large propagator. I've also left her with too much leaf (which I may remedy in a mo', might be asking just that bit too much).

The rockwool cubes were soaked for well over 24 hours in 5.5 lukewarm water. I'm also using the same water the cubes soaked in in my spray bottle. I've always been careful with my clones, now I'm going to find out how careful I really need to be.
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Old 05-06-2007, 05:02 AM
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You go Skunk trim that time see JUst how much, or how little work they REALLY need.
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I guesse they do need the work if he didn't glote after 2 weeks with those clones too bad but we do need to work for that high
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You will prolly be fine. Just let the rockwool nearly dry out before watering.
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I haven't got any pic's of this as my gf has informed me the memory cards are in the shop and not getting collected till wednesday.

Anyway, I took a pair of scissors and topped my mother plant, quite a rough looking, very straight cut that I didn't tidy up. I haven't used rooting gel either, just stuck it straight into a 2" rockwool cube and then into a too large propagator. I've also left her with too much leaf (which I may remedy in a mo', might be asking just that bit too much).

The rockwool cubes were soaked for well over 24 hours in 5.5 lukewarm water. I'm also using the same water the cubes soaked in in my spray bottle. I've always been careful with my clones, now I'm going to find out how careful I really need to be.
This feels personal mr skunk hybrid j/k

Have I spurred you on to try this out?
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I suppose yes. our recent chat ngt has got me thinking about how easy it is to clone. I've had success in soil with cling film... without rooting gel... now I'm not making the 45 degree cut along with everything else. I am propagating this time.

I suppose I should have used plain old tap water as well, no ph. I'll keep this thread updated with pic's as soon as I get the camera back.
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i have successfully rooted slips that were torn, not cut, no rooting agent, straight into the ground outside. only half made it, but hey! half made it... clones are hardier than most think...
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:47 AM
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Yes, i've cloned a few leaves too. Done the garden thing and it was going quite well till we had freak snow that lasted for about three days.

So long as their environment is ok they should take root regardless.
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Ok here she is. You might note that she is in a heated propagator but is not plugged in. This is for the simple reason that i don't like them. all my other propagators are at the other grow so I've got to make do with this one for the time being.

Apart from having to dip (resoak the rockwool) her more often than usual, maybe once every two days rather than 3-5, she is doing ok.

anyway here's a pic.
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skb, cubes have a bit of limestone dust in them which must be flushed out before soaking. The pH 5.0 water that you soak your cubes in for 24h before plugging in the cuttings should be discarded.

Misting cuttings is usually only necessary if you have low-humidity induced wilt. I don't like to mist as it can promote fungi like powdery mildew on leaves. There's usually other causes for wilt than low humidity, like the stem cut rotting, preventing water uptake from the media. As you know, sterility is everything. Dipping your scalpel in alcohol both before and between cuts is smart.

Correcting tapwater to 5.0 for the pre-soak and to 5.5 for daily watering does make a difference in speed and vigour of root formation. Getting the watering right is much more important. A 40mm cube weighs 5g dry and 25-30g when properly damp. Heavier than that is oversaturated and will slow rooting dramatically.

I think there's something to the ragged cut theory; the plant evolved to have this ability to replace a root system when a damaged stem comes in constant contact with moist soil- that's in the DNA, we're just exploiting it. However, I think there's a more replicatable way of achieving the 'rough cut.' I've both split lengthwise the last 1/4" of an angle cut stem (bit of a camel-toe thing) and also have scraped the stem in a few places in the media contact area (last inch) with the back of the scalpel blade, just to achieve a little tissue disruption, but in a way that doesn't leave raggedy bits of stem to rot in the damp media. Disrupted or damaged stem cells more easily mutate into root nodes.

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