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Johnnycat535

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barcow

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Thank you for this information. Definitely answers the question of how long to cook butter for. I wonder if there is data for up to 24 hours to see if it degrades.
 

gioua

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Decarboxylation of cannabis

The following information about decarboxylation was not written by Cannabis Chris, but was pulled from another site during part of my research for “Marijuana Decarboxylation: how to decarboxylate medical marijuana” and “What is Decarboxylation?“, as well as a future article with another method. This snippet about decarboxylation had too much good information for me to leave out.
After reading this information, along with a graph that shows decarboxylation temperatures, I will be doing some experimenting with a few more methods of decarboxylating marijuana and I will post the results here.
Anyway, here is some great information from one of the big pharma companies, about the decarboxylation process, some of the info is pretty boring, but please read it all. That way you will have the best understanding of the decarboxylation method you choose to go with…
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“The decarboxylation step may be carried out prior to or after extraction with liquid CO2.
In a preferred embodiment the decarboxylation step … is conducted by heating the plant material to temperatures and for times which ensure at least 95% conversion of the acid cannabinoids from the acid form to their neutral form whilst ensuring thermal degradation of THC to CBN is less than 10%.
Decarboxylation of cannabinoid acids is a function of time and temperature, thus at higher temperatures a shorter period of time will be taken for complete decarboxylation of a given amount of cannabinoid acid. In selecting appropriate conditions for decarboxylation consideration must, however, be given to minimising thermal degradation of the desirable, pharmacological cannabinoids into undesirable degradation products, particularly thermal degradation of THC to cannabinol (CBN).


Preferably, decarboxylation is carried out in a multi-step heating process in which the plant material is:


i) heated to a first temperature for a first (relatively short) time period to evaporate off retained water and allow for uniform heating of the plant material; and
ii) the temperature is increased to a second temperature for a second time period (typically longer than the first time period) until at least 95% conversion of the acid cannabinoids to their neutral form has occurred.


Preferably the first step is conducted at a temperature in the range of 100° C. to 110° C. for 10–20 minutes. More preferably the first temperature is about 105° C. and the first time period is about 15 minutes.


If the plant material is derived from cannabis plants having a high CBD content (defined as >90% CBD as a percentage of total cannabinoid content), the second temperature is preferably in the range from 115° C. to 125° C., preferably about 120° C. and the second time period is in the range from 45 to 75 minutes, preferably about 60 minutes. More preferably the second temperature is in the range from 135° C. to 145° C., preferably 140° C. and the second time period is in the range from 15 to 45 minutes, preferably about 30 minutes. In another embodiment, most preferred for a mass of plant material greater than 4 kg, the second temperature is in the range from 140° C. to 150° C., preferably 145° C. and the second time period is in the range from 55–90 minutes. The latter conditions are preferred for processing amounts of, for example, 4–6 kg of starting plant material and the exact figures, particularly time, may vary slightly with increased mass.
If the plant material is derived from cannabis plants having a high THC content (defined as >90% THC as a percentage of total cannabinoid content), the second temperature is preferably in the range of 115° C. to 125° C., typically 120° C., and the second time period is preferably in the range of 45 minutes to 75 minutes, typically about 60 minutes.

More preferably the second temperature is in the range of 100° C. to 110° C., typically 105° C., and the second time period is in the range of 60 to 120 minutes.

In another embodiment, most preferred for a mass of plant material greater than 4 kg, the second temperature is in the range of 140° C. to 150° C., preferably 145° C., and the second time period is in the range of 45 to 55 minutes.
Most preferably the decarboxylation step is conducted at temperatures and for times which ensure at least 97% conversion of the acid cannabinoids to their neutral form, whilst ensuring thermal degradation of THC to CBN is less than 5%. …
The plant material used as the starting material for the extraction process is preferably ground, milled or otherwise processed to give a particle size of less than 2 mm, but preferably greater than 1 mm. Such treatment generally results in improved extraction of cannabinoids from the plant material, as packaging density is improved.”



I am reading this as step 1

Preferably the first step is conducted at a temperature in the range of 100° C. to 110° C. for 10–20 minutes. More preferably the first temperature is about 105° C. and the first time period is about 15 minutes.


and step 2

More preferably the second temperature is in the range of 100° C. to 110° C., typically 105° C., and the second time period is in the range of 60 to 120 minutes.



I have not tried this 2 step process.. at this low of a temp.. but I just put in about 1/2 oz into an oven to test this low and slow range..

great post thank you..
 

Hazydat620

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So are they saying you can decarb after the butter is made? or decarb the plant matter before cooking?
 

gioua

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completed the 1st and 2nd step added MJ to some peanut butter baked it.. just had 2 spoonfuls and will update in about 1 hour.
 

Johnnycat535

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Thats good then. I just wish the graph displayed would show further then an hour or so. I'd like to find out the moment of decrease at these lower temps. Let me ask you though, at what temperature did your bake you PB, and for how long? I'm curious as that may result in further decarbing that we'd want to consider in this testing.
 

gioua

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ok here is my results.. and I will add more in the am.. since I have had some medibles about 3 hours before these 2 spoonfuls...

I will certainly be doing this again.. I used a bit less then 8g's total to about 1 1/2 cup peanut butter.. which is what I normally use... noticed first onset of effect about 25 mins into taking them.. (about 20 mins faster then average) TONS of energy.. hehe... this is so needed too.. I used bubba kush as I have normally.. pain free at this time so life is good..

I bake the peanut butter at 250-260 for 40 mins... after I add the MJ and about 1 tablespoon olive oil then stir and cover..

...normally I decarb at 225 in foil then let coil then use it.. interesting to see if someone else wants to play guinea pig.. gonna go ask for some.. :)
 

Hazydat620

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ok here is my results.. and I will add more in the am.. since I have had some medibles about 3 hours before these 2 spoonfuls...

I will certainly be doing this again.. I used a bit less then 8g's total to about 1 1/2 cup peanut butter.. which is what I normally use... noticed first onset of effect about 25 mins into taking them.. (about 20 mins faster then average) TONS of energy.. hehe... this is so needed too.. I used bubba kush as I have normally.. pain free at this time so life is good..

I bake the peanut butter at 250-260 for 40 mins... after I add the MJ and about 1 tablespoon olive oil then stir and cover..

...normally I decarb at 225 in foil then let coil then use it.. interesting to see if someone else wants to play guinea pig.. gonna go ask for some.. :)
I kind of wanna try decarbing after the butter is made. I have a few pounds of butter in the freezer that I would think would be pretty potent using over oz. of flower per LB., but it isn't really, unless I'm just a heavy smoker and don't notice it. I made the butter using a double boil method and "steeping" for 4-5 hrs, and then strained through cheese cloth.its some pretty dark stuff. I ran one batch with fresh/frozen trim also to see the dif, only thing was the color of what I can tell. What would you suggest decarbing already made butter at?
 

Johnnycat535

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According to the article posted the guy did it at 240F for an hour. You may even notice the carbon bubbling out as it decarbs, and you'd wanna let it run until the bubbles stop. That being said I'd first find out the boil temp of butter and keep it bellow that temp. Also if you wanted to clean your butter up you could run it trough a crockpot with water to separate a lot of the chlorophyll out of the butter. Never heard of anyone doing that but it would be worth while to test with a small portion of what you have. What quality of bud did you use in the first place? If it's really weak you may be able to run more bud trough with the crockpot method. This would both give you more potency as well as clean the existing butter at the same time. The same process shown in the videos posted in the first link only you'd be using you already infused butter. Be great if some of the more experienced members would chime in but I do believe this would be a great way to better you butter.
 

Surfer Joe

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If you make the canna butter and then add it into a cake mix, will the baking temperature for the cake also accomplish the decarb process or do you need to decarb before using the butter in cooking?
 

gioua

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1.If you make the canna butter and then add it into a cake mix, will the baking temperature for the cake also accomplish the decarb process
2. do you need to decarb before using the butter in cooking?
1.not really.. it may a tiny bit.... 2. decarbing occurs over time and heat.. generally when someone makes canna butter/oil the decarbing happens during the cook time..
 
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