Howard that's a great idea about the extracts at the grocery store, I never thought that they'd have a high alcohol percentage. To be more precise, I didn't think of them at all. +rep

.

I've been experimenting with 150 proof alcohol, glycerin, and using Ice Water kief instead of ground bud. The kief is very high percentage resin and the plant matter is well washed so the taste is very good. I dislike the alcohol taste so I'm concentrating on glycerin.

I bought some chemistry beakers online but I find pyrex mason jars to work much better and will be safer. I've tried: heated alcohol tincture: room temperature alcohol tincture; alcohol dissolved resin mixed in glycerin; and kief and glycerin mixed at room temperature with an electric mixer. I'm going to add heat from my computer fan after my next batch. The next batch will be done with an autoclave.

Stove top autoclaves


I'm finding the room temperature glycerin tincture made with kief to be my favorite so far, but I haven't been able to make it potent enough yet. Hopefully the computer heat will speed up THC absorption by the glycerin.

The quest continues, here's a good glycerin tincture write up:

--------

Originally Posted by savagepossum

here is something i found on the net awhile ago: PotDrops(CannaGliss) Sticky

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok so the following is a recipe/method for creating a very interesting excellent substance, which me and some of my friends have come to call Cannagliss! It is a THC based substance which allows you to get an almost all-body-stone with a method that is easy to conceal!

It increases the potency of your weed 16x, technically, although unless you are very stickly about the directions I am about to give, chances are you wont be able to wait the full time for the drops, or wont have the equipment to get the full and total potential out of the drops.

.

What you need:

- 1oz of good quality bud (quality does make a very big difference in this recipe!)
- 1cup Food Grade Glycerine (available from your local pharmacies or drugstores or health shops)
- Cheesecloth
- A glass bottle with a sealable lid… preferably metal.
- A glass dropper bottle
- Your computer exhaust or something to heat it consistently for days on end… NOT A HOT LIGHT
- You can of course use considerably less amounts of pot for this recipe. You can use as little as 1 gram of finely ground weed in 8.5ml of glycerine. Increase amounts in proportion… so 1/4oz would get a 1/4cup etc etc.

Then you have to leave the weed in the glycerine for two full months (that’s 6 weeks!), shaking it each and every single day at least once. My first batch I shook maybe 8 times daily, and had it consistently heated 10-20 degrees Celsius above room temperature.

This whole process can be exceedingly quickly accelerated by the extra heating and shaking. It can go from taking 6 weeks to 2, and if you have the right equipment, it can take as little as 14 hours. By simply putting mine in the exhaust of my laptop and keeping it there 24/7 except for when shaking, it was almost ready in about 2 weeks. If I had left it for another week it would have been perfect. The end product should be a pine green colour, and smell exceedingly strong.

.

Once you have let the drops sit for long enough for all the thc to have dissolved into the glycerine, than you can put it into a glass dropper bottle. If you want to check the glands of the Herb to see if there is actually any THC left, examine the Herb under a microscope before putting the bud into the glycerine, then simply take a piece out of the mix when you want to check it and examine it again under the microscope… the change will be very obvious, and you will be able to see if any trichomes remain on the glands. If either you see that there is no more thc left in the pot, or you can see the colour of the glycerine turn dark… or just wait the full 2 months (this is the best bet always).

.

You can use pure kief for this recipe as well, when you do this just use about 3x as much glycerine as you have kief, and put the glycerine in the bottom of a very tall and skinny bottle, then put the kief on top. Shake and heat the same as you would the normal drops. With kief you can actually see whether or not it is entirely dissolved, so simply bottle it minus the straining once everything has dissolved nicely

.

Autoclave

If you have an autoclave, or a pharmaceutical grade glass beaker with threadlock top, than this next method is for you!

Take 1oz of primo bud, not crushed but de-stemmed and totally and completely dried out. Toss them into a screw seal boiling beaker. Then, you must absolutely ABSOLUTELY use thread lock on the beaker. If you don’t do this, its totally pointless to even try this method.

Put the bud in the beaker with 1 cup glycerine; boil in your oven or on an autoclave at 155C or 311F; leave for 36 hours. It should be boiling for most of this time, but air should not be escaping the beaker. Remove and let cool. Upon cooling it should have separated into a green oily substance (which you want to keep) and a black thick tar, which in this case tested at 12% THC. The green oily substance in this case tested at 88% THC.

The bud should have completely and totally dissolved into the glycerine. That black tar stuff is all the plant material. It can be tossed if you like… or you could try drying it and smoking it, its up to you. (Thanks to Quanium for testing this for us!)

Once you have your drops, you can soak some of your normal bud in it to give it an extra little kick. Or you can put a few drops in a joint, or just on the top of a bowl in a bong. But by far the single best way to do this is to put just a few drops under your tongue and hold it there for about 2-3 minutes. Will make you go absolutely mad. The better herb you have, the better this concoction will be.

.

Dosage numbers:

- Approximately 2-3 drops per dosage for a good time… equals about 6 bowls of good weed smoked in a bong, if the recipe is done properly.

- This means that every ounce of herb and a cup of glycerine mixture you have, you will end up with approximately 4800 drops (or 1600 doses) if strained completely.

- For only one gram of herb and 8.5ml of glycerine you will get about 60 doses at 3 drops each.

- This is comparable to a normal approx 97 .3g bowls that you would get out of an ounce on an average basis.

.

Then of course there are those of you going "Well this sounds just too good to be true!" Well here is some chemistry for you non believers! Glycerine is a sugar alcohol, and thc is alcohol soluble.

Simple chemistry then shows us then that the thc will be soluble into the glycerine given enough time. Now this said, it isnt a 100% alcohol or anything near it, which is why it takes so long for it to sit.

... then why use glycerine instead of everclear or something like that and just make green dragon? Well unlike other types of alcohols, sugar alcohols are able to be absorbed exceedingly easily by the arteries underneath your tongue! And when the THC binds to the glycerine, this makes it easily absorbed into your bloodstream on a direct path for your brain! The absorption of THC into the bloodstream from smoking joints sits at about 15%, the amount for using a bong ranges from 25-35% approximately, and the amount for using a vaporizer or cooking ranges from about 45-55%. With the glycerine absorption method intake has been tested with various other drugs (mixed with glycerine as tinctures) with up to 90% absorption. This should be about enough proof I think to convice most of the doubters.

.

Now we all know that weed isn't unhealthy for you if taken in right, so what about glycerine?

Well, glycerine is in your toothpaste, in lubricants, skin care products, used in cough syrups… So its safe to ingest. Is it safe to smoke? Well glycerine is an almost globally used compound in everyone's favorite flavored smoke - Shisha.

.

__________________
"I will have my money for my fine and a joint in the other hand."

- Jean Chretien, Prime Minister of Canada, on marijuana decriminalization

HAS ANYONE EVER ADDED WATER TO THIER TINCTURE AFTER EXTRACTION? I did this in attempt to dull the everclear sting... instead it just seperated the resin that was previously dissolved in the alcohol... im now left with a weak tincture with globs of dark oil floating around and settling on the bottom... Is there anything I can add to the mix to re-dissolve the oil? Or should I evaporate all the liquid and try re-dissolving in pure alcohol without watering down??? ANY THOUGHTS PLEASE???!!!???

"HAS ANYONE EVER ADDED WATER TO THIER TINCTURE AFTER EXTRACTION?

I did this in attempt to dull the everclear sting... instead it just seperated the
resin that was previously dissolved in the alcohol... im now left with a weak
tincture with globs of dark oil floating around and settling on the bottom...

Is there anything I can add to the mix to re-dissolve the oil?

Or should I evaporate all the liquid and try re-dissolving in pure alcohol
without watering down?"

.

LOL!

Yes, I do this to get the exact result you mentioned. No worries, you're going to be even happier with your tincture in a few hours.

.

If you do an alcohol extraction you get a lot of the terpins and chlorophyll that make your tincture
taste like ass water, dan discovered a great way to remedy this.

Resin (witch contains the THC) is alcohol soluble but not water soluble. If you either:

1. Add more water and Boil off the alcohol while leaving the water (<100C)

2. Add copious amounts of water to your tincture

There will be too little alcohol % to hold the resin (THC) in solution and the resin will float until
the percentage of alcohol gets small enough that the resin is heavier per volume than
the alcohol-water solution. The resin will drop to the bottom of the jar.

.

I find this a bit strange since alcohol is less dense than water and the resin should sink quicker in a high alcohol % solution than a low alcohol % solution. Perhaps because alcohol is a solvent for resin, but the phenomina seems counter intuitive.

Anyone else get this? Your alcohol tincture evaporates off a bit and the resin that comes out of solution floats around, then if you add more water or boil off the alcohol it sinks?

.

When you have most of the alcohol evaporated add some more water and put the
jar in the fridge for a couple of hours. The resin will settle to the bottom. Drain off the
water into another jar, leaving only the resin.

Make sure the foul tasting water and alcohol are gone, add a small amount of
water down the side of the jar so you don't mix up the dissolved resin and gently rinse. Dump the foul water into the foul water jar. Put the foul water jar back in the fridge and repeat until you get no resin residue on the bottom of the jar.

Now the fun part.

1. To your good resin jar - add your choice of solvent: glycerin or alcohol.
2. Shake or use a single beater mixer, until you have a solution clear of residue.
3. Enjoy.

Ya done a real good thing Dan!

ps if you want to get rid of the alcohol sting go to your local pharmacy and pick up a
100 ml bottle of glycerin for $3.50. Glycerin is a sugar alcohol and will dissolve the resin.
Look above and to previous pages for recipes and tips.

.

__________________
"I will have my money for my fine and a joint in the other hand."

- Jean Chretien, Prime Minister of Canada, on marijuana decriminalization

Radical! This helps a lot! Thanks Hobbes! In the future, is there anything i can add to my tinctures thats not straight alcohol to help with the everclear sting? Something that wont seperate the resin from my mix? Or am I better off sticking with straight everclear??? Thanks again!

Also, do you do this intentionally to purify your tinctures? Or am I better off doing this as the first step by soaking my shake before I extract to remove impurities?

THANKS!!!

So I just poured the alcohol/water mix into another jar and evaporated the liquid off and got a tiny bit of hash oil... I then added straight everclear to my jar caked in resin, heated it a little... and wha-la! All the resin dissolved nicely and its much stronger now with a better taste! So, the chlorophyll and nasty stuff is still in that hash oil I got from the liquid then, right? Also, if I still wanted to use alcohol for my tinctures but add some filler so it doesnt sting as much, could I use glycerine like you metioned? Or should I go one way or the other?

Thanks for taking the time to respond!
P E A C E

Wow Hobbes, that is a lot of info to digest.

I've been making alcohol tinctures for a few months now, but for some reason I always ignored glycerine. My biggest problem with tinctures has always been that I just don't like alcohol very much. So glycerine should be perfect...if I can find any around here. I searched walmart last night with no luck. I'll check the drug store next. Any suggestions as to what it would be located near in the drug store? I don't like asking for help finding it, because the first question they always ask is "what are you using it for?" Any suggestions on how to answer that question?

Thanks for the great "how to", +rep as soon as I spread enough around to get you again.

"is there anything i can add to my tinctures thats not straight alcohol to help with the everclear sting? Something that wont seperate the resin from my mix? Or am I better off sticking with straight everclear?"

Hey Dan!

I'd go with glycerin - it's a cannabis resin solvent and sugar alcohol. I've done a couple of jars with a mixture - disolving the resin in 150 proof alcohol, reducing until small amounts of resin fall out of solution in resin, add glycerine.

If I were to do an alcohol extraction then wanted a different medium I'd reduce the alcohol tincture and drain off the excess, then use glycerin only with the resin. Tastes much better and as you found - you can add less medium and get more potent tincture.

As well, I've read (uncomfirmed) articles claiming that glycerin is absorbed sublingually into the blood much quicker than alcohol, and the cannaboid absorbtion rate is close to 90% compared with 40% for alcohol.

"do you do this intentionally to purify your tinctures?"

I use to but now I use the kief from my Ice Water extraction, washed and concentrated. Much better taste, you can make it as potent as the glycerin will hold the dissolved resin in suspension.

"Or am I better off doing this as the first step by soaking my shake before I extract to remove impurities?"

Everclear will dissolve the resin much quicker than glycerin, and you can add enough glycerin to make the tincture potent, and it will taste better. For me I'd absolutely do it, but some people might find the extra work not worth the effort.

Has anyone has trouble with this method? Less potency? Changing the effects of the tincture?

"the chlorophyll and nasty stuff is still in that hash oil I got from the liquid then, right?"

The chlorophyll and terpins are water soluble so they will stay in solution in the water after the alcohol has been reduced. The trick is to get enough water mixed in to keep all the unwanted junk in solution - before reducing - so the foul tasteing particles don't settle with the cannabis resin at the bottom of the jar. If this happens you transfer that garbage to your new tincture.

"Also, if I still wanted to use alcohol for my tinctures but add some filler so it doesnt sting as much, could I use glycerine like you metioned? Or should I go one way or the other?"

I would go with Glycerin, but reduce the alcohol solution and get rid of the terpins/chlorophyll first.

.

__________________
"I will have my money for my fine and a joint in the other hand."

- Jean Chretien, Prime Minister of Canada, on marijuana decriminalization

"Any suggestions as to what it would be located near in the drug store?"

In the section by the cough medicine, band aids.

"I don't like asking for help finding it, because the first question they always ask is "what are you using it for?"

Tell them that your throat is sore from smoking so many joints and you want to take a few drops of glycerin to sooth it.

Pharmaceutical grade Glycerin is used on sore throats, cuts, anywhere that moisture is needed. Excellent multi purpose product.

Don't worry about them asking, and if they do -

"Sore throat, I want my remedy natural" or

"My girlfriend has a sunburn and her mother told her that glycerin will moisturize the burn." or

"Just show me where the fucking glycerin is asshole."

I usually use number 3.

.


the glycerin we use is just vegetable glycerin, not nitroglycerin.

"Glycerol is a chemical compound also commonly called glycerin or glycerine. It is a colorless, odorless, viscous liquid that is widely used in pharmaceutical formulations. For human consumption, glycerol is classified by the FDA among the sugar alcohols as a caloric macronutrient. ... The glycerol substructure is a central component of many lipids. Glycerol is sweet-tasting and of low toxicity."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerin

.

__________________
"I will have my money for my fine and a joint in the other hand."

- Jean Chretien, Prime Minister of Canada, on marijuana decriminalization

"Just show me where the fucking glycerin is asshole!"

HaHa, go with that one! Its not like your buying the shit to cook up meth, right? They wont think twice about it... also glycerin is used in liquid light shows with water, food coloring, and an overhead projector... ya know all those crazy multi-colored light shows that bands started doing in the 60's? Yup, just tell em' your trippin' out some friends at a party with it! Ha, ive actually been looking for some for that very reason!

SO....glycerin is colorless, odorless, and tasteless then, right?

You could use a glycerin extract topically then, right?

Thanks again for taking the time HOBBES! Great Thread!

P.S. Im kinda new here, do I need to post a certain amount of times before I can add +rep for people? You'll get some for sure when I can Hobbes!!!

"do I need to post a certain amount of times before I can add +rep for people?"

I dunno.

"You'll get some for sure when I can Hobbes!"

Please no. I do these threads as a repository of all the web research I do, everyone adds by posting information or asking question that direct my research in areas I may never have thought of venturing. I learn more from researching to answering peoples' questions than from thinking up ideas of my own.

.

__________________
"I will have my money for my fine and a joint in the other hand."

- Jean Chretien, Prime Minister of Canada, on marijuana decriminalization