Sr. Verde's: Concentrate Corner

**neef** · 05-30-2012, 11:19 AM

do you all normally freeze your material before you blast it with the butane/alcohol?

**dankshizzle** · 05-30-2012, 12:28 PM

I never have.

**meezy4tw** · 05-30-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by neef

do you all normally freeze your material before you blast it with the butane/alcohol?

Nah man I never have either. The butane going in the tube usually does that for you from my experience.

**Sr. Verde** · 05-31-2012, 05:25 PM

I have and I haven't... i feel like it adds an extra un-necessary process.. never noticed too much of a difference. As dank says the tube/material gets super cold from the butane as it is.

**WaxTaster** · 05-31-2012, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by neef

do you all normally freeze your material before you blast it with the butane/alcohol?

Superchill the solvent always; superchill plant material if doing an alcohol extraction, or if working with fresh, undried material.

Cold solvents are more selective, freezing locks out a lot of water solubles, but not all.

If working with fresh material it MUST be frozen, when working with alcohol, EVERYTHING should be kept as cold as possible, done in a walk in freezer if possible...

Edit: If you freeze your already dried material pre-extraction you actually add more moisture to the mix which you don't really want, with exception of cold water extracts.

**WaxTaster** · 05-31-2012, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by dankshizzle

A lot of butanes come out of Korea. I wonder why. It's probably all basically the same just different labels. I've used power, fasfil, lucienna and vector. They all can make good sap if you do it right.

In both North and South Korea, butane is in the top 3 exports

Honestly though we could argue and speculate till the cows come home about which is better, but until we actually get to see that Power5x/7x MSDS it's just that, speculation. I'm stickin with my theory though... Don't need a power msds because it's already out there as something else... Food for thought.

In the end, go with what you like, and what isn't going to harm your end user

**Sr. Verde** · 05-31-2012, 09:51 PM

I feel like chemical analysis of the various cans of consumer available butane should be available to the consumer. I would think it should be like nutrition facts, all ingredients listed.

But no that's not the case, because I haven't been able to find a power5/7x , or fasfil MSDS. Only speculations, as wax tester contended!

**connoisseurde420** · 06-01-2012, 12:28 AM

there are places you can send out this stuff to get it tested im sure if you look hard enough.

**Dan Kone** · 06-01-2012, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Sr. Verde

I feel like chemical analysis of the various cans of consumer available butane should be available to the consumer. I would think it should be like nutrition facts, all ingredients listed.

But no that's not the case, because I haven't been able to find a power5/7x , or fasfil MSDS. Only speculations, as wax tester contended!

A new brand just came out. Super cheap compared to power and vector. Anyone know anything about Spark 7x?

http://www.spark7x.com/

**Dan Kone** · 06-01-2012, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Sr. Verde

I'm starting to get closer to being on your page..

Sure enough, your argument about Korea exporting only one quality of butane - and the fact that both Vector and Power 5x cans are both labeled "Made In Korea".. Makes me believe what your saying to be true

I felt like I did notice a difference between the Vector and Power 5x. I feel like vector does smell different. As in worse.. different.

I can't quite put my finger on it, but like I said the Power 5x sap seems to be smoother on the exhale than any oil I've ever made with vector. Makes me wonder, even though I have seen the MSDS of Vector Quintuple refined Butane and didn't see anything other than the 'basic stuff'.

& just to add The materials for the power 5x run were in no way better than the materials for the average vector bho run (in my experiences). And again, the Power 5x BHO is likely the smoothest oil I've made (been using the same tek, for a while now. Only changed variable was brand of butane used).

All in all I think I dig this Power Butane enough to change my preference

Thanks

Yeah, I definitly try to go past the point where it doesn't react to the vacuum after a few minutes. I like to clean things as much as I can

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Quintuple refined is the only thing i've seen vector butane labeled as, and that means '5 times refined'.

Power seems to blast quicker, suggesting it has more propellant than vector. More propellant = more propane, less butane.