Sr. Verde's: Concentrate Corner

Originally Posted by Matt Rize

The point is that tane performs better when you control the temps and keep it low. same with iso. and yes I was working thru the phases towards supercrit CO2

It's the "performs better" where I think we disagree somewhat. I don't think that warm butane is materially, significantly different or more aggressive than cold butane. But I do admit that I'm splitting hares. cn

Originally Posted by oakley1984

yes, thats correct. i freeze all material before hand... making sure the iso is as cold as the freezer will go
and the material, i freeze for 2wks or more before hand... i have found some supporting evidence and can link if absolutely necessary that cold temperatures in itself, Breaks down chlorophyll. This is why the extended duration for the material in the freezer... what people consider a "quick wash" by pouring into a jar and shaking for 10-30seconds... is insane. By the time they pour their iso into their jar, Im already done.


i really do invite people to take this challenge, see the results for yourself.
im laughing at the people sitting there saying how can you claim one is more potent than the other. well quite simple, have you tried it?(and no i dont mean this batch, a head to head comparison of iso vs butane) because I have.


i will make a video if needed to outline my method.

i asked because i want to learn.

i don't understand why you would laugh at me for that.

Originally Posted by fdd2blk

i asked because i want to learn.

i don't understand why you would laugh at me for that.

now i am laughing at you :P because you didnt actually say that, you said you just wanted to learn

i was addressing other posts sorry for the confusion

Butane solubility listed with both pressure and temperature because both affect solubility.
Miscellaneous
Solubility in water (1.013 bar and 20 °C (68 °F)) : 0.0325 vol/vol

http://encyclopedia.airliquide.com/E...ia.asp?GasID=8

And:
Solubility of Hydrocarbons in Physical Solvents
"This paper compares the solubility of hydrocarbons in several physical solvents such as ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, triethylene glycol, methanol, and dimethyl ethers of polyethylene glycol (DEPG, a solvent marketed by Union Carbide, UOP, and Coastal). Most of these solvents are designed to extract unwanted components such as water and acid gases. However, these solvents also have a tendency to remove the hydrocarbon product. Quantifying this amount of absorption is critical in order to minimize hydrocarbon losses or to optimize hydrocarbon recovery depending on the objective of the process. The influence of several parameters on hydrocarbon solubility including temperature, pressure and solvent water content is examined. Suggested operating parameters to achieve hydrocarbon absorption objectives are included. Hydrocarbon solubility is a major factor when considering the use of a physical solvent."
http://www.bre.com/portals/0/technic...20Solvents.pdf

And just to get nerdier. Why would temp (energy) affect the van der Waals force?

"Cohesive Energy Density

From the heat of vaporization, in calories per cubic centimeter of liquid, we can derive the cohesive energy density (c) by the following expression

where:

c=Cohesive energy density

Δh=Heat of vaporization

r=Gas constant

t=Temperature

Vm = Molar volume

In other words, the cohesive energy density of a liquid is a numerical value that indicates the energy of vaporization in calories per cubic centimeter, and is a direct reflection of the degree of van der Waals forces holding the molecules of the liquid together.

Interestingly, this correlation between vaporization and van der Waals forces also translates into a correlation between vaporization and solubility behavior. This is because the same intermolecular attractive forces have to be overcome to vaporize a liquid as to dissolve it. This can be understood by considering what happens when two liquids are mixed: the molecules of each liquid are physically separated by the molecules of the other liquid, similar to the separations that happen during vaporization. The same intermolecular van der Waals forces must be overcome in both cases.

Since the solubility of two materials is only possible when their intermolecular attractive forces are similar, one might also expect that materials with similar cohesive energy density values would be miscible. This is in fact what happens.

Solubility Parameter

In 1936 Joel H. Hildebrand (who laid the foundation for solubility theory in his classic work on the solubility of nonelectrolytes in 1916) proposed the square root of the cohesive energy density as a numerical value indicating the solvency behavior of a specific solvent.



It was not until the third edition of his book in 1950 that the term "solubility parameter" was proposed for this value and the quantity represented by the symbol ∂. Subsequent authors have proposed that the term hildebrands be adopted for solubility parameter units, in order to recognize the tremendous contribution that Dr. Hildebrand has made to solubility theory."
http://cool.conservation-us.org/cool...3/bp03-04.html

Now I just don't know, I'm too high for all this. lol

kept reading:

"Temperature, concentration, viscosity

The solubility window of a polymer has a specific size, shape, and placement on the Teas graph depending on the polarity and molecular weight of the polymer, and the temperature and concentration at which the measurements are made. Most published solubility data are derived from 10% concentrations at room temperature.

Heat has the effect of increasing the size of the solubility window, due to an increase in the disorder (entropy) of the system. The more disordered a system is (increased entropy), the less it matters how dissimilar the solubility parameters of the components are. Since entropy also relates to the number of elements in a system (more elements=more disorder), polymer grades of lower molecular weight (many small molecules) will have larger solubility windows than polymer grades of higher molecular weight (fewer large molecules)."

Originally Posted by oakley1984

also, dry ice is a pain in the ass to get in my area.

My local Publix carries it in their freezer department. Check around, I've seen it carried at gas stations and truck stops too.

Originally Posted by oakley1984

i will make a video if needed to outline my method.

Yes please. Start a new thread so you can answer the inevitable questions.

Originally Posted by mindphuk

My local Publix carries it in their freezer department. Check around, I've seen it carried at gas stations and truck stops too.


Yes please. Start a new thread so you can answer the inevitable questions.

im in canada man.. not quite the same... its available.. but its just not nearly as commonly found as it is in the states...

and im working on the thread compiling pictures and attempting to get some help writing it out in more of a friendly how to as well, im abit of a harsh asshole thats not the greatest at explaining exactly what it is im doing... so if anyone wants to volunteer for that shit job, gimme a msg haha

Originally Posted by Sr. Verde

Put your hose clamp a little further down the tube like this

They will stay cleaner

congrats on the 1000th post in the thread

its very simple, if during the proccess of extraction you change the chemical make up just as the plant would over time, the thc glands will be polarized and almost 100% converted to thcv and decarboxalted(cant spell sorry) butane will only do this if you use a heat purge and it is not 100%,

there is a science to this its not 1+2=3 if you dont understand then you shoudl look it up, using a solvent that is isomerizing does to polarized and change the thc glands, look up honey bee extractor cant remeber the other old school extractors they use heat and ISO solvents or hexane, thats a whole other devil, to change the thc chemically then leave just the coverted thc left, anyone know the old school thai somthing somthing isomerizer extractor

here is a explanation that make more sense, im a fucking novice

"Direct isomerization

Sometimes if pot is totally rank and crappy, or you're dealing with a bunch of roaches, trimmings, or some other inferior source of THC it is desirable to go well beyond what a simple volatile solvent or super critical fluid extraction can do. You want to convert all those free available cannibidiols into more potent THC analogs and cannabinols.

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/ca...t-extract.html

This technique also will render a fully decarboxylized end product, as well as destroying many terpenes and aromatics which can improve or destroy a product depending on the original quality. It is important to understand this is not a full conversion to ƒ´9-THC, but to THC analogs and more active cannibidiols, and is included in this discussion more as an educational exercise. Basic isomerization takes place with a quick reflux of your cannabinoids in the presence of any H+ source (acid)."

here is a recipe i have done once and it worked great but im lazy its master thias reciper for all honey oils to be pure
Making marijuana Cannabis Honey Oil Like A Pro, It does not matter how you started making marijuana honey oil,
if you have done this your not done ! If its Butane , Iso , or grain
if you have not taken these simple steps than you are not finished yet,
one more thing to do now, to get those impurities out , & Have
those yummy Flavor's locked in and oh that Golden magic color.


by Master Thai


Isomerization of Raw Plant Extract

Supply list

1.) Large Glass Beaker (500 to 1000 mils.)


2.) Large eulmeyer Flask (500 to 1000 mils.) With vacuum filter and funnel.

3.) #50 filter papers

4.) Length of clear hose ( to connect to vacuum )

5.) Charcoal / norit (activated charcoal, must be lab-grade only )

6.) 100% Grain alcohol ( Everclear )

7.) Sulfuric or Hydrochloric Acid ( bye in small quantities, a little goes a long ways)

8.) Scale ( triple beam or lab-jewlery scale only , perfer Triple Beam, No batteries to run down and give a mis-reads of weight's )

9.) Calculater

10.) Pencil & Note Pad



Method

1. Using raw extract weigh mass and take note.
2. Add 10 times this amount of grain alcohol & mix with raw extract in beaker.
3. Take a pH reading & write this down.
4. Using a small dropper, Add 1 drop of Acid, (slowly , this will react & get warm, SO BE CAUTIOUS) for each gram of raw extract & stir with glass rod.
5. Using a volume of charcoal / norit equal to the solution ( raw extract/ alcohol mix ) Add this to the solution and agitate for 2 or 3 minutes.
6. Take a second pH reading subtracts from first reading.
The difference is a good starting point to add Bicarbonate of Soda at a 1 to 1 ratio, Or 1 gram of Soda to 1 drop of Acid.
Add Soda slowly ( this too will react ).
Take a third pH reading ; then adjust the pH according to the first reading using Soda or Acid to match the first reading.
You should achieve a pH of 6.5 to 7.5 The sweet stuff is at a range around 6.6 or 6.8 range.
7. Set up the eulmeyer flask with filter and vacuum source ( tap water is your source ) Then turn water on & pour solution slowly into funnel portion of the flask. At this point when you have pulled the solution into the flask, rinse the beaker with a small amount of alcohol to get the remainder.
8. At this point the alcohol can be evaporated if necessary or reduced to the desired consistency depending on intent of use.
The infra red lite Master uses works well - very good here.(A must do-have)
9. Clean up all equipment and put away and now enjoy :
REAL HONEY OIL, its not fake or halfway like ALL other methods shown here in this section.
Like Master Thai's Grandfather said to him a long time ago :
If your going to do it half way than just dont do it at all
Be a pro not a poser Grasshopper
Advise well taken.
So now you know how it works ( Real Honey Oil ) enjoy your efforts, and relax with the REAL Stuff and see what you all been missing.

peace ,
Master Thai