Right now I have 20 plants started its my first grow.I started 21 seeds from atttude and 20 germed.No not to bad for a new guy.I have like 6 cfls going on them and its like 15,000 lummens on them.The temps have ben around 82 deg.They are is a 45 gallon wall mart toat They will veg in there 3 weeks then they are of to there new home .I have 8 t5 plus 9 2,800 lummens cfls and I just Got 3 new lights from Lows wow they look great.They are 75 watt 4,800 lummens each they are big.They t5 will be over the top of them and the smaller cfls will be on the sides and under them.I tell you what seting up is not cheap.