Lady J's 12 / 12 From Seed Perpetual Closet CFL Grow

Ordered a few things for my tea, should be here on Monday. Amazon is giving me free 2 day shipping .

2 Lbs of Azomite - Organic Trace Mineral Soil Additive Fertilizer - 67 Trace Minerals: Selenium, Vanadium, Chromium":
A to Z Minerals- A Complete Organic Fertilizer A Source of Minerals & Trace Elements Azomite is the name of a special rock in Utah. Early this century geological prospector Rollin Anderson found deposits of montmorillonite clay in a valley south of Salt Lake City. U.S. Bureau of Mines analysis showed the clay is similar to Chilean/Peruvian caliche rocks from which much of the world's nitrate was mined. Anderson ground montmorillonite as fine as possible, then put it in his garden. Results were amazing and nearly immediate. Minerals in Azomite are necessary to optimal metabolism in living things. Ground to dust, minerals are small enough to pass through cell walls of organisms.


Earth Juice - Rooters Mycorrhizae, 1-Pound

• Rooters mycorrhizae
• Selected for a broad spectrum of plants, media and environments
• Harmonize with the plants root system and help construct a microbial network that will aid in the growth and vigor of a variety of plants
• Indoor/outdoor use
• Great with plants, soil and hydroponics
• Available in 864 units per pallet
• Container's measures 2-3/5-inch length by 2-5/7-inch width by 7-2/16-inch height
• Mycorrhizae will harmonize with the plant's root and help construct a microbial network that will aid in the growth and vigor of a variety of plants
• Proprietary blend of mycorrhizal fungi selected for a broad spectrum of plants, media and environments

Hydrofarm HOF08200 1-Pint Hydro Organics Earth Juice Rich Humic Acid
*Product description was lacking so got this from: http://www.naturalenviro.com/Article...umic-acid-role

Why Use Humic Acid?

Today, there is a recognized and increasing use of humic acids for their beneficial impact on the growth and cultivation of crops (vegetable & non-vegetable), citrus, turf, flowers, and particularly in organically-deficient soils. Humic acid is not a fertilizer as it does not directly provide nutrients to plants, but is a compliment to fertilizer. Benefits include:

• Addition of organic matter to organically-deficient soils
• Increase root vitality
• Improved nutrient uptake
• Increased chlorophyll synthesis
• Better seed germination
• Increased fertilizer retention
• Stimulate beneficial microbial activity
• Healthier plants and improved yields

How Does Humic Acid Improve Soil?

When applied to clay soils, humic acid can help break up compacted soils, allowing for enhanced water penetration and better root zone growth and development. When applied to sandy soils, humic acid adds essential organic material necessary for water retention thus improving root growth and enhancing the sandy soil's ability to retain and not leach out vital plant nutrients.
How Does Humic Acid Improve Plant Growth?

As mentioned above, one way plant growth is improved is through the structural improvement of both clay and sandy soil allowing for better root growth development.
Plant growth is also improved by the ability of the plant to uptake and receive more nutrients. Humic acid is especially beneficial in freeing up nutrients in the soil so that they are made available to the plant as needed. For instance if an aluminum molecule is binded with a phosphorus one, humic acid detaches them making the phosphorus available for the plant. Humic acid is also especially important because of its ability to chelate micronutrients increasing their bio-availability.
How Does Humic Acid Effect Microbial Activity and What is its Role?

The activities of beneficial soil microbes are crucial for the sustainability of any soil and plant growth. Humic acid stimulates microbial activity by providing the indigenous microbes with a carbon source for food, thus encouraging their growth and activity. Soil microbes are responsible for solubilizing vital nutrients such as phosphorus that can then be absorbed by the humic acid and in turn made available to the plant. Additionally, microbes are responsible for the continued development of humus in the soil as it continues to break down not fully decomposed organic matter. This in-situ production of humus continues to naturally add to the humic acid base and its benefits.
Humic Acid's Role in Fertilization

Humic acid is technically not a fertilizer, although in some walks people do consider it that. Humic acid is an effective agent to use as a complement to synthetic or organic fertilizers. In many instances, regular humic acid use will reduce the need for fertilization due to the soil's and plant's ability to make better use of it. In some occurrences, fertilization can be eliminated entirely if sufficient organic material is present and the soil can become self sustaining through microbial processes and humus production.




**Also, I added the Fish & Seaweed liquid fert I got from Neptune's Harvest to the tea. Almost forgot it could go in there. Just put 2 capfuls.

One of the threads has someone saying that they did an experiment with miracle grow vs regular soil vs premimum organic soil. I think they said the miracle grow had little to no microbes in it. I would imagine commercial soils like miracle grow and the like that's usually cheaply sold at wal-mart/home depot/lowes/etc to be cheaply made, but stuff like Fox Farm or roots organic on the other hand are not. You should read the thread, but there's a market because people like you(no offense) believe them when they say "helps plants grow x3 larger!)

There's a market for everything, if people buy it it validates them selling it. They make money on people not doing their own research and trusting their "independent studies" as fact. There's a few more links in the thread, but UB hates "snake oil". I bet there's a product out there to help cannabis plants get different colors. I trust scientific evidence vs. what the market says works.

I don't think what he's saying is contradicting. Sterlization =/= natural composting. Sterilization would be something the manufacture did, i.e increasing heat, but this happens naturally as well. Just not to such a degree to kill all lifeforms in the soil.

I stopped reading at page 22, but I think the consensus of the thread was that adding additional mycorrhizae to premium soil mixes was not beneficial. Mainly because, like I posted above, the old mycorrhizae would "eat" the new mycorrhizae introduced. Now if you have crap soil(i.e) miracle grow that has no mycorrhizae from the start then you would benefit. I have no idea the quality of Black Gold because I use FF and the only mentioned premium soils were mainly Fox Farm's(light warrior to be specific) and Roots Organic.

Your so Damn thorough.

Your plants are looking good Lady J! I don't know how you have the patience for that soil shit though....It seems like soil adds another layer of complexity to this whole hobby of ours...

high all
i like soil personally, speaking of i gotta go get some, i use promix and it's never done me wrong. Winter Woman turned me on to it. very easy peasy.
how's it going Lady? i have some kandy kush and crystal paradise beans popping along with a few bagseeds that came 1000 miles on vacation with a friend and decided to stay here in paradise. was good smoke so i thought i would try to grow it out. why anyone would bring weed to my house to smoke is beyond me but i'm glad he did. i was unable to get clones off my last brazil and master kush so i have to pop those seeds again. damn i hate when i do that.

Originally Posted by Cloudz2600

One of the threads has someone saying that they did an experiment with miracle grow vs regular soil vs premimum organic soil. I think they said the miracle grow had little to no microbes in it. I would imagine commercial soils like miracle grow and the like that's usually cheaply sold at wal-mart/home depot/lowes/etc to be cheaply made, but stuff like Fox Farm or roots organic on the other hand are not. You should read the thread, but there's a market because people like you(no offense) believe them when they say "helps plants grow x3 larger!)

There's a market for everything, if people buy it it validates them selling it. They make money on people not doing their own research and trusting their "independent studies" as fact. There's a few more links in the thread, but UB hates "snake oil". I bet there's a product out there to help cannabis plants get different colors. I trust scientific evidence vs. what the market says works.

I don't think what he's saying is contradicting. Sterlization =/= natural composting. Sterilization would be something the manufacture did, i.e increasing heat, but this happens naturally as well. Just not to such a degree to kill all lifeforms in the soil.

Lol damn, way to make me sound like a Guppy

I actually got interested in beneficial microbes not because of advertising, but because of the many people in the organic section who have posted interesting and informative threads on how adding microbes enhances their grow. Whenever I buy anything, I see what other people say about it and read articles about it...I don't just read the back label and think I'm good to go.

Here are a few places where I got my information and decided that I would want to add it to my grow:

Mycorrhiza Fungi...why you should get to know them...
Mycorrhiza 101...

Heisenberg likes the microbes too, he adds them in his infamous tea to clear brown sludge in hydro - DWC Root Slime Cure aka How to Breed Beneficial Microbes

Dr. Elaine Ingham has conducted successful grows when adding Mycorrhizae to Cannabis (most studies are done on hemp, which reacts differently than cannabis). She has some good articles / books if you ever feel like looking her up.

And if you want to learn more about making tea:

Soil Food Web Gardening with Compost Teas
Compost Teas - Superpower your microherd.
http://greenbay.scenenewspaper.com/g...mpost-tea.html

The only thing I notice when people say it's worked compared to not using it they make a fatal flaw and don't do a control group. There could be 1000 different reasons that grow did better than their last and they ignore all the other variables and attribute it to one thing. The instant there's something different other than adding Mycorrhizae their evidence is invalidated. Like I said anecdotal evidence is anecdotal

Without reading any of the links, I'll get to it, did any of the people in those threads actually do a control?

In regards to the Dr, I'll agree that Mycorrhizae has a positive effect, but what about the Mycorrhizae that is already present in the growing medium? I might have to find a link that shows the old will eat the new, but did she talk about what the benefits to adding Mycorrhizae when there is already present Mycorrhizae?

The thread I posted didn't say that adding Mycorrhizae was bad or not beneficial, it basically just said there was no benefit if it was already present.

Originally Posted by BigLittlejohn

Your plants are looking good Lady J! I don't know how you have the patience for that soil shit though....It seems like soil adds another layer of complexity to this whole hobby of ours...

Lol that's funny because I think Hydro is complex...it's dialed in, so you really do need a PH meter, TDS, and you pretty much have to deal with synthetics (eww). I know you can grow without the meters, but why? The whole point is to tweek your plants needs exactly so that you can grow the best possible crop.

If you have organic soil that is properly mixed with the right ferts...all you have to do is water. How easy is that? The most complex issue I had was gnats, and just sprayed them hos with insecticidal soap. If I had the proper soil mix, probably would have never had bugs. With soil you don't have to worry about PH spikes (is rare, have never taken PH once), maintaining a res, keeping clean tubes to keep away algae, changing a res every week, praying the air / water pump doesn't malfunction, having to grow plants with chems (mine is med grow), fending off root rot...hydro is awesome, and the plants grow fast and huge...but it comes with a price and can be a bitch! I rather just do it the way that has worked for plants for millions of years

Beyond a bubble cloner, will be playing in the dirt! Maybe will try DWC again one day...but not sure...

Originally Posted by mysunnyboy

high all
i like soil personally, speaking of i gotta go get some, i use promix and it's never done me wrong. Winter Woman turned me on to it. very easy peasy.
how's it going Lady? i have some kandy kush and crystal paradise beans popping along with a few bagseeds that came 1000 miles on vacation with a friend and decided to stay here in paradise. was good smoke so i thought i would try to grow it out. why anyone would bring weed to my house to smoke is beyond me but i'm glad he did. i was unable to get clones off my last brazil and master kush so i have to pop those seeds again. damn i hate when i do that.

Hey sunny, things are good my way. Can't complain too bad, what about you? Nice, I have some Kandy Kush too! Are you going to document it? That was awesome of your friend to bring trees to your crib...I need friends like that