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An established member told me my grow was very interesting and to post it... in the
Indoor Growing forums; I think your experienced friend told you to expose your grow so that we could be the ones to tell ...
I think your experienced friend told you to expose your grow so that we could be the ones to tell you how jacked up the ideas you are running on are versus him having to tell you. Fan leaves power the plant just like any other leaves and there are much better ways to make a plant branch out like topping or supercropping etc. Stop cutting them off and stop bothering with them entirely. Foil is only 75% reflective at best. It won't hurt a thing, it just simply sucks.
Lastly the sand needs to stay there really or your gnat problem will just come back.
Shaving my face with some mace in the dark, saving all my food stamps and burning down the trailer park.
Originally Posted by OregonMeds
You might have been misinformed. I was just posting because it was an experiment and an interesting grow. As you can see, the plant is doing super nice, no matter what I have done to it.
Even growing hydropondically you should not use foil?
Originally Posted by tom__420
WTF? Lol why would your growing medium affect the crappiness of aluminum foil?
Originally Posted by Josephine
Aluminum foil is closer to 90% reflective when talking about PAR, for around 90% of all incident angles.
Originally Posted by OregonMeds
I don't know where you got 75% from. Source?
Aluminum is an excellent reflector. Keywords: aluminum, excellent, reflectivity.
Mylar or panda poly is better man plain and simple. Why are you always fighting for aluminum foil?
Mylar is aluminum vacuum deposited onto plastic(PET). Foylon is aluminum foil which has been laminated over with plastic. Panda/poly films are highly diffuse reflectors. Mylar happens to be more specular than aluminum foil, Foylon is less specular than foil.
Aluminum foil is nearly identical in terms of reflectance(sum of all light reflected for all angles) to these other materials. They are not better, neither plainly or simply.
Alright well if they are the same than why don't grow shops sell it to put on your walls? I think aluminum foil should be left in the kitchen. The only reason aluminum soil should be around weed is if you are making edibles. Please show me a good grow in which the walls are lined with aluminum foil
Because those other products are much more expensive. I could line my entire home's walls with reg. Al foil for less than the price of Mylar/Poly in one room.
Plenty of successful growers use regular aluminum foil. Look harder. I'm sure if there was less stigma around doing it you might have more people willing to show their foil-lined grow rooms.
Personally I cover cardboard or wood panels with foil, not the walls. I then mount the light panels in ways which are most optimal to utilizing the small amount of light I use. I can see the foil lighting up the plant more optimally when adjusting the panels. It's very obvious when the plants are growing as well.
"How so?" You ask. Simple, they grow out bushier/denser, then don't stretch for the light sources(CFLs, in my case), as they just grow 'normally'(straight-up vertically, without moving lights around to accomplish this).
The thing about a highly specular reflector, reflective Mylar is one of the best surfaces you can get for this & foil isn't nearly as specular, is the amount of throw it has. A mirror is still a mirror and works as one whether 1 foot, 10 feet, or 100 feet away ... mirrors just reflect light that's their sole purpose! Which is why most professionals use highly polished aluminum reflectors, they are basically mirror surfaces. A highly diffuse reflector can't throw light anywhere near as far, or anywhere near as intensely as a mirror-like(specular) reflector. White paint is less specular than aluminum foil by more of a difference than there is between foil and reflective mylar. Which is somewhat obvious because aluminum foil is still mirror-like(albeit a bad mirror), and matte paint isn't much at all.
Aluminum foil is still highly diffuse, often around 50%(reflective Mylar can be as little as 25%). So the chances of getting hot spots with foil are less than reflective Mylar using both similarly.
Lets see if we're on the same page now....
Here's a challenge for you. Take some highly reflective material(reflective Mylar, aluminum foil, white paint? you'll likely burn the paint), a magnifying glass, and some paper outside on a really sunny day, and bounce the focused magnifiying glass beam off the reflective material and see if you can ignite paper using only reflected light. If not, use your hand and see how hot it gets, compare between the surfaces.
I'm going to take an educated guess: Mylar or a mirror will allow you to burn something the easiet, and foil will probably work, but not as well as either of the mirror-surfaces.
So, lets see if we take this 'common sense' and apply it to what 'is said'.
Mirrors bad, but Mylar good. There's one contradiction. Some state it's the glass... bulbs are made of glass. Hoods often have a glass door/barrier. Most glass is well over 90% transmissive for a lot of angles.
Foil bad reflector, but also causes hot spots. There's two contradictions.
Foil has [insert obscenely low figure here]% reflectivity. What type of reflectivity, should be your first question. Yes, it's fairly well known reflective Mylar or foil is 95-97% reflective. What type, though? IR, specfically FIR. Oh, that's worthless for plants, but that figure is often used. For plants, Mylar is no more than 92% effective at reflection of the PAR spectrum(it averages around 90%). It's the exact same for an aluminum mirror.
The red-dotted line is reflective Mylar, the blue-dotted line is ESR(enhanced specular reflector, a material from 3M designed to be highly reflector for visible light).
Al is an aluminum mirror, as you can see it conforms with reflective Mylar pretty much identically, and would continue to do so if the Mylar/ESR graph continued. The others are gold(Au) and silver(Ag) mirrors.
I've done measurements with a CFL bulb and an aluminum cardboard reflector, using a camera. The brightness between a bulb and the reflected light of the bulb off aluminum foil is within 3%. Meaning the foil is around 97% reflective.
This guy agrees with my experiment. Sweet.
Originally Posted by http://p25ext.lanl.gov/~hubert/phenix/aerogel/talk_1/
That's a good term for it. Aluminized mylar, because without aluminum it'd just be transparent plastic.
So I'm going to go around claiming aluminum foil is 97% reflective now.
I do not want to see charts I want to see proof that the plants grow better with it. If you say that I can find them than why don't you find them and prove me wrong. Don't get me wrong I love learning new things but until I see it being used successfully in a grow op I can't believe it. Ironically I cannot find any pics of your plants or anything? That is reallll convenient man.... Charts are all fun and all but some line graph is meaningless if I cannot see it in action in a grow
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