Put "VOTE NO ON PROP 19" in your signature!

I don't want to muddle up your thread but can you point me to a thread with the facts of this legislation and why I should vote no.

Thanks!

-ABM-

so why should I vote no? you have given me zero info

Originally Posted by fisk

so why should I vote no? you have given me zero info

This is why I was asking him to direct me to a thread with this info.

here's a thread discussing this very topic-- Decriminalization YES!...PROP 19 NO!
but here's my reasoning to vote NO-- Marlboro's going to flood the market with pre-rolled corporate crap joints dropping the price of bud altogether because of the huge supply which will then take money out of the pockets of the real growers who will then be taxed to hell just for growing it which will then cripple the local economies(grocery stores etc) because the money made through medical pot will be absorbed out of the private economy by the govt through taxes leaving everyone except the govt with more tax money that we all know they are going to blow. doesnt matter how much taxpayers give the govt, theyll keep spending us into massive deficits. fuck legalization, give us decriminalization because the govt is just going to fuck it all up like they always do.

you can go read the proposed legislation for yourself and see that medical growers come under stricter guidelines and its just going to give the govt more power which is never good

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...0_(California)

http://stash.norml.org/californias-p...-word-analysis

heres two links with information on the prop 19. read the actual text for the proposition. dont go by heresay.

I am still yet to see any credible argument why I should vote NO on 19. Yes, it could put the small dealer out of business, but it will not destroy the small time personal grower. There is simply no reason to continue to play the "but I can't make money if it is legal" game any longer. I don't think that I am the only one who simply wants to be able to legally enjoy a joint while kicking back without any strings attached.

thanks for posting those, very informative. but everyone who wants to grow is already growing under prop 215 and sb420 and they propose that you'd be given a strict limit of a 5'x5' garden... there are going to be big corporate lobbyists breathing down politicans necks to make sure that you stick to the new guidelines or face the harsher penalties that come with the new law. give us decriminalization and let the free market decide where to take it, not more govt regulation.

"the road to hell is paved with good intentions"

Originally Posted by notoriousb

but here's my reasoning to vote NO-- Marlboro's going to flood the market with pre-rolled corporate crap joints dropping the price of bud altogether because of the huge supply which will then take money out of the pockets of the real growers who will then be taxed to hell just for growing it which will then cripple the local economies(grocery stores etc)

Are you going to buy prerolled schwagg made by Marlboro? I'm not and I don't know anyone else who would. They can make all the prerolls they want, if no one buys them then they'll stop.

There will always be a market for fresh locally grown A grade bud in California. No one can drive local growers who provide top shelf bud out of the market with massive amounts of schwagg. Californians don't look for bargains when it comes to their bud, they look for quality.

Just a thought here. I'm one of those poor local growers who you think will be put out of business by prop 19. I just did the math on my profits/expenses for my last cycle. I made a 720% profit. That's selling it wholesale. By the time it hits the shelf in a medical dispensary that profit goes up to over 1200%. That means what cost me $100 to grow ends up being sold for $1200. So yeah, the current system that you are defending is in fact ripping everyone off.

Buds will still need to be grown, trimmed, and sold. New strains will still need to be created. Clones will still need to be cut. Nutrients, soil, lights, etc will still need to be purchased. If anything this could help the growing economy, not hurt it. Only the growers/dealers will make less money. Considering they are making around a 1200% profit off of the buds they are selling now, maybe that's not a bad thing.

Originally Posted by notoriousb

you can go read the proposed legislation for yourself and see that medical growers come under stricter guidelines and its just going to give the govt more power which is never good

The growing/possession limits in prop 19 do not apply to medical patients. They are for recreational use. And even the recreation state minimum limits in prop 19 allow for as much as you could possibly consume for personal use.