Breeding My Own Strain But Have Questions

Toolage 87

Toolage 87

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Hi all. I haven't started growing yet but I have been doing research on it and I found exactly how I want to grow but now my question starts since I can't find it anywhere.

1 - When breeding my own strain should I create a IBL for the strains that I want to start making my own with before I start breeding or just find the strain that I want to use of each kind and make my own strain?

2 - When wanting to make my own strain that uses 4 or more kinds do I make batches of the ones that I want to cross into 1 strain like NL and Haze for batch 1 them back cross it to make a stable strain. Then use Skunk and Ice to make batch 2 and back cross those to make a stable batch 2 strain. Then take The 2 stable strains that I made and cross those then back cross those to make the perfect strain that I want?

or

Do I take NL and cross it with Haze then take the NLxHaze of that and cross it with Skunk to make NLxHazexSkunk then take that and cross it with Ice to get NLxHazexSkunkxIce F1. Then take the F1 that I want to stabilize and back cross it with the moms and dads of the original strains that I used to make my strain and do the same method but make it a F2 strain?

3 - When breeding my own strain how to I select the perfect make plant for breeding?

4 - When breeding do I need to give the plants alot of like when they are producing seeds?

5 - When the plants are producing seeds do I need to feed them like I'm flowering them for their bud or is there a completely different feeding way when making seeds?
 
canefan

canefan

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I am not a leading expert in this field, just a guy that is making crosses, done some reading and trying hard. Subcool would really be the one to ask or to post in his forum but I will give you my opinion and what I am trying. Today I believe that most of the strains purchased from the major breeders are not strains you want to make stable strains from, easily anyway. The most stable crosses would come from IBL, I say or believe this because you have eliminated most pheno's from that strain. This is the method used by most breeders of other type of plants.
Selection of your strains will be very important to make stable crosses in a shorter time. Breeding F1 hybrids to other F1 hybrids will produce many phenos but mostly plants that will ressemble their parents. Your F1s have much diversity in their genes and will pass those to the new seeds. So, it would make sense to have a more stable parent, f3 or higher and IBLs. Producers of hybrid corn, at least in years past would use 2 IBL crosses to produce the new hybrid corn seed. Very few phenos and the same plant year after year. So I would assume that going this route is the quickest and most certain way to obtain the same basic plant time after time. The more varied your parents are in their background, the longer the process to find and maintain the characteristics you are looking for.
The fun part is all the phenos that come up during this process and learning the way the genes are passed to each plant. I am currently trying to stablize a strain and am in my 4th generation now. I don't really know how much progress I am making towards it but it certainly becomes a passion and very consuming. I just harvested some seeds last night from the current grow and now I can't wait to put some of these beans in the ground next month and see what has happened.
Here are some links that I think will help you and certainly explain things better than I.
https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/395655-creating-true-breeding-strains-vic.html
http://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/
https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/395659-mr-soul-brothers-grimm-cubing.html
Good Luck to you in your efforts and enjoy
 
Toolage 87

Toolage 87

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canefan said:
I am not a leading expert in this field, just a guy that is making crosses, done some reading and trying hard. Subcool would really be the one to ask or to post in his forum but I will give you my opinion and what I am trying. Today I believe that most of the strains purchased from the major breeders are not strains you want to make stable strains from, easily anyway. The most stable crosses would come from IBL, I say or believe this because you have eliminated most pheno's from that strain. This is the method used by most breeders of other type of plants.
Selection of your strains will be very important to make stable crosses in a shorter time. Breeding F1 hybrids to other F1 hybrids will produce many phenos but mostly plants that will ressemble their parents. Your F1s have much diversity in their genes and will pass those to the new seeds. So, it would make sense to have a more stable parent, f3 or higher and IBLs. Producers of hybrid corn, at least in years past would use 2 IBL crosses to produce the new hybrid corn seed. Very few phenos and the same plant year after year. So I would assume that going this route is the quickest and most certain way to obtain the same basic plant time after time. The more varied your parents are in their background, the longer the process to find and maintain the characteristics you are looking for.
The fun part is all the phenos that come up during this process and learning the way the genes are passed to each plant. I am currently trying to stablize a strain and am in my 4th generation now. I don't really know how much progress I am making towards it but it certainly becomes a passion and very consuming. I just harvested some seeds last night from the current grow and now I can't wait to put some of these beans in the ground next month and see what has happened.
Here are some links that I think will help you and certainly explain things better than I.
https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/395655-creating-true-breeding-strains-vic.html
http://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/
https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/395659-mr-soul-brothers-grimm-cubing.html
Good Luck to you in your efforts and enjoy
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Thanks. Yea I was thinking of chosing a bunch of strains that have what I want then make a IBL of them before I make my first F1 would be better and faster. I am also wondering if a SOG seed harvest method for breeding a strain that I want to do because I can shoot out the seeds and have more of a selection sooner then waiting for a bigger plant. I hope to have a batch of seed harvest in about 4 to 5 months depending on how things go and if I get the make and females that I am looking for.

Huge wow. That cubing thing is alot of good info but I don't under stand how the numbers work for when you go from 3/4 to 7/8
 
canefan

canefan

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Its some of that new math, lol. Cubing is a great and easy way to create that IBL you are looking for. Your question on the SOG seeds, I really don't know.
 
Toolage 87

Toolage 87

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canefan said:
Its some of that new math, lol. Cubing is a great and easy way to create that IBL you are looking for. Your question on the SOG seeds, I really don't know.
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Sweet Thanks. I just started my garden so feel free to drop by and sub to it.
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
and kinda like the first poster was mentioning.. its better to start off with say a landrace strain like say afghani kush or something along those lines that say a hybrid like idk, blue dream for ex.. hybrids are simply a cross of two different parents.. by using hybrids, your chances of getting stable offspring goes way down.. if you were to use say skunk num. 1 and nl's, two plants that have been around for ages and are known to be very stable, your results are also going to be much more stable..
there are a few strains that are great for breeding, like i said, northern lights, skunk, afghani, tom hills deep chunk, c99, a good haze, etc.. if you use one or two of these strains as parents, you're going to have much better outcomes in the end.
 
sonar

sonar

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I know very little about cannabis breeding, but I do remember a little bit about basic genetics from biology.

Your methods for a 4 way cross in questions #2 would give you different percentages of each strain depending on which method you did.

Theoretically, your first method would give you a plant that is 25% of each strain. NL x Haze would give you a plant that is 50/50. Same goes for your Skunk x Ice. So, when you crossed both hybrids, you would get a plant that is 25% NL, 25% Haze, 25% Skunk, 25% Ice.

The second method is different. In the first cross of NL x Haze, the offspring would be 50/50. When you crossed that with your Skunk, the offspring would be 25% NL, 25% Haze, with 50% Shunk. When you crossed that plant with your Ice, the final result would be 12.5% NL, 12.5% Haze, 25% Skunk, and 50% Ice.

fdd2blk has an excellent guide on seed production that might help if you haven't already read it.

Seed Production. A Tutorial
 
Toolage 87

Toolage 87

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Thanks. I want to make sure that I get this clear. If I have 1 male and 1 female of the same strain but I want the mother's DNA I would breed the male with the female to make F1s and those F1s are 50% mom , 50% dad. Now I grow those F1s out and I freed a male that I like from the F1 batch with the mom then I get 2/3 (66.66%) of the mom's DNA locked in. If I take the F2s and do the same I will get 3/4 (75.00%) of the mom's DNA. Is the numbers that I am saying the correts way of how much of the mom's DNA would get locked into my own IBL?

My Other question is what is it called if I take 2 F1s and breed them together like would I be making a IBL from the F1s instead of the original mom and dad?
What would happen to the F1s if I breed them together like will the F1's DNA be locked in and I would almost start a whole new type of IBL?
 
Prefontaine

Prefontaine

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remember when you are deciding which ones to cross in what order, to keep in mind which phenotypes you are trying to express.
 
Toolage 87

Toolage 87

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Prefontaine said:
remember when you are deciding which ones to cross in what order, to keep in mind which phenotypes you are trying to express.
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Thanks. I have 4 things in mind that I want to do for IBL.

1 - Height
2 - Crystal production (Take the final product and weigh the dry and find out how much weight of crystal is produced for both male and female for breeding reasons)
3 - Node Spacing
4 - Flowering time (What Plant takes the least amount of time for flowering)
 
canefan

canefan

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BrockMonday glad that you enjoyed. The wonders of breeding and the hours spent thinking of how and what your next project is going to be. I am just starting my new project with Lady Cane from Sannie's which I hope will lead to an IBL of Lady Cane. I hope you join in the near future when I start my new journal on this project. I have talked with Escobar about this and I am incorporating some hints which he gave on stablizing this strain.
Happy Growing and good luck with your future ventures.
 
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