Masculized seeds for breeding?

Let's say you get a male plant, that herms, but has AMAZING QUALITY POLLEN.
So you get to pollinate your favorite female.
The male would yield seedy bud to stash for a rainy day,
and if I'm not mistaken, the F1 generation would have almost no herm traits right?

If that's correct, would making masculized seeds have any purpose to the market?

Or is this all a waste of time to make hermaphrodite pollen and bad bud?


Oh as I was leaving this thread I had another thought;
Would making masculized seeds for the male traits, be a more effiecient way to distribute male genetics?
Like selling pollen, but in a seed?

C.Indica said:

Let's say you get a male plant, that herms, but has AMAZING QUALITY POLLEN.
So you get to pollinate your favorite female.
The male would yield seedy bud to stash for a rainy day,
and if I'm not mistaken, the F1 generation would have almost no herm traits right?

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according to dj short, this happens with male herms that are also fertile, i.e. you get a male plant that sets seeds
but it is supposed to be very rare, or so i have read
males with herm traits aren't so rare, i've had a few of those, and i haven't grown that many plants
one male herm was intriguing. it formed a tiny 1/2 inch cola at the very top of the plant, it looked capable of forming seeds, but i just harvested the pollen, limited grow space for experimenting

But if a Female herm has fertile pollen,
then why wouldn't a Male herm have fertile (wrong word?) ovaries?
I've seen fat colas on male plants, it's a good signal that the plant has good bud shape, which is a good characteristic for future breeds.

C.Indica said:

But if a Female herm has fertile pollen,
then why wouldn't a Male herm have fertile (wrong word?) ovaries?
I've seen fat colas on male plants, it's a good signal that the plant has good bud shape, which is a good characteristic for future breeds.

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i understand the reasoning, but apparently the male/female traits are not mirror images of each other
pistils on a male plant are supposed to be sterile in general, though there seem be some exceptions
i don't have any experience in pollinating a male, this is just what i've read

Makes perfect sense to me, I just had wishful thinking is all.
So wouldn't these super rare and stable masculized seeds be beautiful things?
Anyone else have any experience with these?
Or ever stumbled across them?

C.Indica said:

But if a Female herm has fertile pollen,
then why wouldn't a Male herm have fertile (wrong word?) ovaries?
I've seen fat colas on male plants, it's a good signal that the plant has good bud shape, which is a good characteristic for future breeds.

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Honestly I don't know. Not enough people experiment with males for me to say what's common or uncommon. Based on logic, I would say you'd be just as likely to have a female parts on a male that are unfertile as you are to have a male flower on a female plant that's unfertile, it does happen. The amount of seeds a male with female parts could yeild is far less than a female and so they arent a very efficient producer of seeds in the first place.

In my opinion, males and females have the same gene makeup the only difference is the XY chromosomes that determine sex. Afterall, we were all females until our fathers gave us an X or a Y. For this reason I don't think mascunalized seeds have any real value. There's one other thing I have been thinking about that I feel needs to be said. Feminized seeds work because the female only has one chromosome type the X and it is recessive. The male has 2 possible donors the X or the Y. If you crossed a male by himself there's 3 possible genotypes. XX (Female) XY (Male) and YY (a full blown super male). That means you would have a 25% chance of a female, and 1/3 of the males would be super males that if bred with a female would produce all male progency. Not a very desirable trait to pass onto future generations. For this reason I was thinking perhaps you could continue a line with only a male if you were capable of getting it to pollinate itself, you would get some females. If something like this were to be experimented with, the breeder would need to stay away from the super males in this filial generation.