Aussie Growers Thread

[[420]Haze]

nice bloody work there haze!!
good info on the cycocel

exactly the same as Part B CYCO a mate of mine actually uses part B only, mixed results, he's an average gardener who doesn't care about listening, it does work with stopping vertical growth, but no where near as much as Part A (paclobutrazol) perhaps safer...on the packaging of cyco's Part B, it states that it is for berry set and yield of grapes good ol' cyco

amazing stuff if you ask me, maybe that's why i had foxie tails poppin all out on me, again those bits seem to be the tastiest

Flowa, i dont even need to reply, you know your shit, you know the advantages of using PGR's etc etc, im looking real forward to seeing your new Jack bubba come to life during this next round, shes kicking on already and at current growth rate will be a beast. Your 100% correct in saying Cyco B has the same qualities, theres a little difference between them as the cyco range is supposed to be used in unison with A + C to get the maximum effect ( cyco marketing ploy for more cash lol ) where as this contains traces of some elements that dont appear in retail products ( in effect its sorta A,B and C in 1 specifically dosed for grape ). In lower dosages ( 10ml/1ltr ), its perfect to push the onset of density ( start the cell division process ) in MJ and help swell.

[2rusty]

Flowa, i dont even need to reply, you know your shit, you know the advantages of using PGR's etc etc, im looking real forward to seeing your new Jack bubba come to life during this next round, shes kicking on already and at current growth rate will be a beast. Your 100% correct in saying Cyco B has the same qualities, theres a little difference between them as the cyco range is supposed to be used in unison with A + C to get the maximum effect ( cyco marketing ploy for more cash lol ) where as this contains traces of some elements that dont appear in retail products ( in effect its sorta A,B and C in 1 specifically dosed for grape ). In lower dosages ( 10ml/1ltr ), its perfect to push the onset of density ( start the cell division process ) in MJ and help swell.

At what strength do you use the pgr and how often

[flowamasta]

Flowa, i dont even need to reply, you know your shit, you know the advantages of using PGR's etc etc, im looking real forward to seeing your new Jack bubba come to life during this next round, shes kicking on already and at current growth rate will be a beast. Your 100% correct in saying Cyco B has the same qualities, theres a little difference between them as the cyco range is supposed to be used in unison with A + C to get the maximum effect ( cyco marketing ploy for more cash lol ) where as this contains traces of some elements that dont appear in retail products ( in effect its sorta A,B and C in 1 specifically dosed for grape ). In lower dosages ( 10ml/1ltr ), its perfect to push the onset of density ( start the cell division process ) in MJ and help swell.

lol, thanx once again! glad you the goods about PGR's..oh yeah Jack x Skunk u said bubba

i have seen Part C used, and with good results too, it almost shrinks your buds at the end, they all tighten right up, and go rock solid, and i mean ROCK SOLID. I myself don't like buds that are rock solid, hard to dry, hard to cure, and then even harder to store, if you don't break the buds up into pieces the size of a 5 cent coin they end up tasting crap, and they never have that nice squeezy smelly, sticky feel to them. I took ! good smell of Part C, and went, nope yuk, smells like bloody metal and hydrochloric acid. not for me, and Cyco don't like to promote part c, and it may be coming off their line soon, as it just doesn't sell, especially considering the $100 price tag for 1 litre, yeah you can save buying A+B+C.....that's alot of extra!! I'm cutting it right back now, no zyme, no ryzo this time, only base, silica and swell for flowering and the A+B PGR, last grow i used 60 ml in my 40 litre res of each Part A, and Part B PGR's, which is only 1.5 ml per litre and only for 3 days not 7, it will be guess work with Jack, my mentor still got an apo stretch goin on during flower and he used PGR's so i'm thinking she's got a hefty sativa side to her during flowering time, so i may use 2 ml of part A, and 2 ml of part B.....i need a quick flowering time, so i think that will help things speed along

I see you said lower dosages of around 10ml per litre what the!? you mean 1 ml? cyco does make it strong, or is the stuff you get diluted down....

[[420]Haze]

lol, thanx once again! glad you the goods about PGR's..oh yeah Jack x Skunk u said bubba

i have seen Part C used, and with good results too, it almost shrinks your buds at the end, they all tighten right up, and go rock solid, and i mean ROCK SOLID. I myself don't like buds that are rock solid, hard to dry, hard to cure, and then even harder to store, if you don't break the buds up into pieces the size of a 5 cent coin they end up tasting crap, and they never have that nice squeezy smelly, sticky feel to them. I took ! good smell of Part C, and went, nope yuk, smells like bloody metal and hydrochloric acid. not for me, and Cyco don't like to promote part c, and it may be coming off their line soon, as it just doesn't sell, especially considering the $100 price tag for 1 litre, yeah you can save buying A+B+C.....that's alot of extra!! I'm cutting it right back now, no zyme, no ryzo this time, only base, silica and swell for flowering and the A+B PGR, last grow i used 60 ml in my 40 litre res of each Part A, and Part B PGR's, which is only 1.5 ml per litre and only for 3 days not 7, it will be guess work with Jack, my mentor still got an apo stretch goin on during flower and he used PGR's so i'm thinking she's got a hefty sativa side to her during flowering time, so i may use 2 ml of part A, and 2 ml of part B.....i need a quick flowering time, so i think that will help things speed along

I see you said lower dosages of around 10ml per litre what the!? you mean 1 ml? cyco does make it strong, or is the stuff you get diluted down....

Ok, so you understand this particular PGR ( Cycocel 77A ), its used as a foilar spray, not mixed with your nutrient feed, the dilution rates for the 2 different effects are different in MJ.

Heres the dilution for MJ ( the fella i get it from named it Super Bloom lol, its true name is Cycocel 77A by Crop care its a regulated PGR for commercial use only in the grape and vine industry within Australia, it increases the single bunch yield, meaning more berries per bunch via cell division, however, plants must be healthy and be able to hold an increased yield, meaning stress free happy plants for MJ )
This is how "foxtailing" occurs, your A + B do the same thing, its just feed via nutrients not foilar sprayed, it splits the cells and pushes new growth on top of the old growth which swells


Vertical Stunting


Swell ( cell division ) density


The PDF file which is MSDS showing all information, is too large to upload, but you can download it here ;

Cycocel 77A Crop Care PDF MSDS or just google " Cycocel 77A Label" or Cycocel 77A MSDS PDF" to find.

Its not diluted, its high strength is due to the fact its used as a foilar spray not feed.


Flowa, if you ever need any of this, its $15 bucks man, i can get some up to you to chuck in your cupboard as arsenal for one day if needed, just sing out mate.

[flowamasta]

Ok, so you understand this particular PGR ( Cycocel 77A ), its used as a foilar spray, not mixed with your nutrient feed, the dilution rates for the 2 different effects are different in MJ.

Heres the dilution for MJ ( the fella i get it from named it Super Bloom lol, its true name is Cycocel 77A by Crop care its a regulated PGR for commercial use only in the grape and vine industry within Australia, it increases the single bunch yield, meaning more berries per bunch via cell division, however, plants must be healthy and be able to hold an increased yield, meaning stress free happy plants for MJ )
This is how "foxtailing" occurs, your A + B do the same thing, its just feed via nutrients not foilar sprayed, it splits the cells and pushes new growth on top of the old growth which swells


Vertical Stunting


Swell ( cell division ) density


The PDF file which is MSDS showing all information, is too large to upload, but you can download it here ;

Cycocel 77A Crop Care PDF MSDS or just google " Cycocel 77A Label" or Cycocel 77A MSDS PDF" to find.

Its not diluted, its high strength is due to the fact its used as a foilar spray not feed.


Flowa, if you ever need any of this, its $15 bucks man, i can get some up to you to chuck in your cupboard as arsenal for one day if needed, just sing out mate.

ahh, good to hear man, thanks for that! and now i understand a little better, as a foliar spray it would be stronger... and the cycocell 77a is the exact same stuff they pour into their part B PGR at CYCO, but i wouldn't know the strengths, as it's diluted into water and other stuff...., i got a nice source, so i get my pgr's at nice price, and for how much i use of the stuff, it lasts ages, i still got 2 litres each of part a + b, their old, and new formula, confusing, but i don't follow the bottle directions, as yeah, that's for grapes, and berries and ornamentals and such, with cyco a cheat sheat is involved to give the right dilution strengths for mj, very interesting to see used as a foliar, i tend to stear way from anything foliar except in veg if needed, maybe some dr. repair...i don't lke to spray anything on my juicy buds as they grow, just my opinion

but if i ever do run out, i'll hit u up for sure, i'll work out the dilute strengths, and feed it through the res

[[420]Haze]

ahh, good to hear man, thanks for that! and now i understand a little better, as a foliar spray it would be stronger... and the cycocell 77a is the exact same stuff they pour into their part B PGR at CYCO, but i wouldn't know the strengths, as it's diluted into water and other stuff...., i got a nice source, so i get my pgr's at nice price, and for how much i use of the stuff, it lasts ages, i still got 2 litres each of part a + b, their old, and new formula, confusing, but i don't follow the bottle directions, as yeah, that's for grapes, and berries and ornamentals and such, with cyco a cheat sheat is involved to give the right dilution strengths for mj, very interesting to see used as a foliar, i tend to stear way from anything foliar except in veg if needed, maybe some dr. repair...i don't lke to spray anything on my juicy buds as they grow, just my opinion

but if i ever do run out, i'll hit u up for sure, i'll work out the dilute strengths, and feed it through the res

keep in mind this is Wk 4 Flower, i will stop running this and hit the plants with "Grotek blossom blaster" which if you look is exactly the same as House & Garden Shooting powder ( 0.39.25 ). Wk 5 is last Wk of foilar spray, from then on its blossom blaster till wk 7 then flush time, plus, each Wk i do my weekly "make it rain" day. its no different to feeding via nutrient, just a different means of application, lol, its sorta funny, its like how others have disagreed with yourself nutrient feeding PGR's saying " thats not good man ", lol, its a approved product for us and is proven to be safe applied in the right method, theres no residue left as its absorbed into the plant, it stops enlongation and starts the cell division process, just like your PGR's its flushed from within the plant once used.

[Buck123]

Cannot wait to see the numbers on those scales man...

[flowamasta]

keep in mind this is Wk 4 Flower, i will stop running this and hit the plants with "Grotek blossom blaster" which if you look is exactly the same as House & Garden Shooting powder ( 0.39.25 ). Wk 5 is last Wk of foilar spray, from then on its blossom blaster till wk 7 then flush time, plus, each Wk i do my weekly "make it rain" day. its no different to feeding via nutrient, just a different means of application, lol, its sorta funny, its like how others have disagreed with yourself nutrient feeding PGR's saying " thats not good man ", lol, its a approved product for us and is proven to be safe applied in the right method, theres no residue left as its absorbed into the plant, it stops enlongation and starts the cell division process, just like your PGR's its flushed from within the plant once used.

ahh sweet as, i'm anxious as to find how long i can flower for, watching my mentors, cause in the next week i will decide when to start flowering, this won't be a monster yield like the last, but i'm happy i got some skunk happening! and my new hood!! gotta be better again with these temps!

[Wogtaz Ryder]

I really respect the fact you haven't flammed anyone, especially myself, Ive given my opinion based on the facts you presented, you e taken it on board and your moving on, + Rep man, your a good fella, if I can ever help you in anyway Wogtaz, let me know. A moron will make the same mistake over and over, youve learnt your lesson.

Thank you mate .

Thats some damn nice plants you got there too.

I will keep you in mind for help , i still got alot of learning to do thats for sure.

[cypressbarbie]

FMD. Found budworms raping my girl this afternoon. About the size of maggots. Outdoor grow only a couple of weeks off harvest. Spent about an hour, picked off bout 20. Found only a couple on the bigger buds, mainly on just popcorn buds on lower branches. Now paranoid as all fuck I'll wake up in the morning with a ripped 6 foot maggot beast raiding my fridge for munchies..

I want to kill their dog's. It's only the disapproval of the Aussie RIU's that has held me back.

Thinking of spraying with pyrethrum. Is that daft?
What would you do if you witnessed your innocent beloved bud being munched? She's my one and only, and was just going to keep her all for myself.