Kellogg's organic granular

Originally Posted by 1337hacker

Thanks as always DG. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Got me some EM-1 in the fridge right now... gonna extend it into some aEM, and then get using it. Where do you source your neem meal from? I wanted to get some for my bed but was having trouble finding it.

Somewhere I have a chart of the macro/micro nutrient breakdowns for a bunch of common substances... I'll link it here if I find it for anyone interested in making their own veganic line and cutting out the expenses

I order my neem online from http://www.neemresource.com/

Yeah post that link up if you find it. In the mean time you can check this article out "plants in the rescue to plants" http://www.frenchgardening.com/tech....64873867231346

DG

http://www.oregonbd.org/Class/accum.htm

there u go... if you want more bookmarks I have a folder full of stuff that included what you and I just posted

Originally Posted by DesertGuru

Teas are great, cannot beat them . Yeah we have been using cover crops\catch crops for a long time, alfalfa sends deep taproots down into the soil for soil aeration and conditioning. Alfalfa meal contains great microbes that supercharge your soils microorganisms into make the food readily available to your plants. I would not do a grow without alfalfa if you paid me. Another unique feature of alfalfa meal is a naturally occurring compound called Triacontanol. Triacontanol is a growth hormone that boosts plant growth in just about all species of plants. Its effect is short term and best used as a teas.

Fermented plant extracts work differently. Alfalfa has some great compounds in her, such as triacontanol. if you want to extract the compounds you need to soak the plant material to a point(a tea), but not let it begin to ferment. So my first question would be is what is your specific intended use for it? If your looking for a FPE, for a liquid, plant based fertilizer you can use EM-1 for an expedited extraction and you will end up with a concentrate that will contain all of the elements (not compounds)that are contained in whatever specific plant your usuing.
Having EM-1 in your fermented plant extract with whatever carb source(molasses or your sugar) will speed up the enzyme reactions greatly. If not using EM-1, and just relying on indigenous bacteria it can take a month(30-45 days) or longer for a good fermentation to occur(ph should be around 3 when done). EM-1 is basically lactobacillus cultures, some yeasts, etc. Basically plant material that has been treated with lacto cultures - enough to prevent rotting(hence miso, yogurt, and all the other fermented foods). These anaerobic(not to be confused with aerobic) microbes completely and totally break-down the "molecular" bond of the compounds found in that specific plant.
This is my understanding, the way I have been taught. Extract elements using EM-1. Very fast and will get all of your elements. To keep the compounds from breaking into elements and there sub divisions of secondary units. Then simply brew the plant material in straight water. You don't need or want to add anything else.

Get some alfalfa meal, fish meal or neem meal in there for your nitrogen. Each of them will have secondary uses, if you have fungus gnats use neem meal, they will be gone faster then a lightning bolt(within 1-2 waterings for sure, usually 1). If your looking for growth hormones and help make your nutrients soluble use the alfalfa. Fish.. I just use fish meal cause fish are c*nts lol.

Good growing

time for a smoke
DG

Wow man thanks again! I am definitely going to have to start making my own. Cannazyme and hygrozyme aren't cheap and this should help a ton. I have used neem cake in the past but didn't see any difference from my plants that didn't have them mixed in. Maybe I just didn't mix in the right amounts. Currently I am doing vegan organics so fish meal is out of the question at this time. I will have to start mixing in alfalfa meal as well. I think that is the missing part in my soil mix and will help my girls tremendously. I will post pics in a couple days of my girls that are 4 weeks into flower. I am comparing my fermented sugar cane with hygrozyme to canna's bio boost with Cannazyme. So far they are all looking outstanding!

Originally Posted by DesertGuru

I order my neem online from http://www.neemresource.com/

Yeah post that link up if you find it. In the mean time you can check this article out "plants in the rescue to plants" http://www.frenchgardening.com/tech....64873867231346

DG

Ordered up some neem cake and neem oil to give them a try. Would be nice to see how the neem stacks up to dynagro, though I couldn't see how you can get better than 100 % neem in the first place

Originally Posted by 1337hacker

Ordered up some neem cake and neem oil to give them a try. Would be nice to see how the neem stacks up to dynagro, though I couldn't see how you can get better than 100 % neem in the first place

Great! Yeah you cant go wrong with the dynagro neem or the neem resource. They are both great .

? whats aem, how is it different from em-1?

http://www.hawaiihealingtree.org/?p=163 recipies for em-1 and bokashi

i mentioned long time ago that i had ordered comfrey seeds and stinging nettles seeds

nettles sprouted, but they're so tiny it so seems like they wont make it, ill keep trying

comfrey, haven't sprouted one yet. out of about 20 seeds soil rockwool inside outside nothing. then i read somewhere about how comfrey has to be winterized damnit
so here is a link for live comfrey plants, pretty cheap and available year round if you're interested

http://www.horizonherbs.com/product.asp?specific=917

AEM is just em-1 that has been diluted from the original em-1 and has a shorter shelf life. Dr. Higa uses 7 different types of EM for anything from composting to pesticides