Just out of curiosity, when did LST, Topping and cloning become advanced growing techniques???

In my opinion these are the very basics of growing, they're nowhere near advanced techniques.

Who else considers these basic techniques, and who can tell me what they consider an advanced technique?

Cheers.

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GreenX ~ Glossary of Terms:
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heres an advanced grow technique id like to try and ask if anyone has any experience with. I want to double switch ballasts on 12/12 cycles to two seperate chambers. IE: 2 lights in one chamber run off the ballast in the morning, and 2 lights in another chamber run during the night. Thus 2 ballasts can bud 4 lights worth. The key is a switching device i have yet to locate. Any suggestions/ comments? I even saw this before several places... so the idea is sound.. utilize ballasts 2x!

See now that would be useful! ... I wonder if you could just hook up some sort of double adapter and have them on separate timers so only one runs at a time (per ballast) ... Hmm sounds like it could start a fire hahaha. Can you get double adapters with the right kind of plug? Or is that the sort of switching device you have not yet located? I've not seen them about ... I'm not a fan of wiring my own ballasts or using bare exposed ballasts, but that could be something to look into?

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i agree, lst fimming tying and topping are a joke, yet very effective, i guess they can be considered advanced if you go crazy enough with them? oh well who cares who labels what what, its cool but i agree its the very basics of botany , fuck with a plant and it will heal itself to fix your fucking with, in lamest terms

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If you're a newb (ya know, the people this site is made for) then topping, LST and cloning are advanced ideas.

these are called flips. some call them flip flops, whatever. they are very useful when running multiple rooms/ballasts.

Oh yea, I've heard of flip flops... Never seen them at the grow shop by me tho

This site isn't made just for newbs ... It's made fore everyone to share their ideas, wisdom and grows. If there were no experienced growers here, all the newbs wouldn't learn shit, and I have seen a lot of newbs sharing bad advice with other newbs, a downward spiral if you ask me.
Even when I very first started with growing (and horticulture) I never ever considered topping or cloning (taking cuttings) and advanced technique by any stretch of the imagination ... LST and pruning could be classed as a moderately difficult technique if you get into it enough and go a bit crazy. But they're not advanced techniques, maybe if you combine 2-3, even 4 methods of beginner or moderate techniques, you could consider it advanced, but if you go read a book on plant botany you'll see how complex it can really be, should you want it to be, it comes with experience too.

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GreenX ~ Glossary of Terms:
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All the people Iv seen severely fuck up their plants by LSTing and chopping the bits off the poor things...Your into advanced growing the second you start doing something else then watering and fertilizing.

Edit: And please tell me, what is an advanced technique for growing mentioned in a botany group but not general practice among weed growers?

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Well, probably the most common advanced growing technique that's not general practice amongst weed growers, would have to be the 'Autumn Colour Effect' or the 'ACE' technique, as I like to call it. This is where the Nitrogen is cut off from a flowering plant in mid to late flowering (depending on phenotype) so that the plant extracts all the remaining Nitrogen from it's leaves and puts it into the bud, this hugely reduces chlorophyll level in the plants leaves and buds by the time the plant is finished [which aids with good tasting, good burning weed] (cannabis, being an annual, does not require Nitrogen for the final leg of flowering, having to take it up, process it and motabilize it, hinders it's ability to put all its strength into the flowering process.
To use the Autumn Colour Effect (ACE) to its full potential, you have to really know the pheno you're growing (having grown clones of it multiple times) so you know how long it takes to finish, what it likes/dislikes, what it can or can't handle etc.
This is a common technique amongst elite growers (not the elite on this site that pay for that status, the true elite, like those who showed me it - and I was sus at first but they proved its benefits too me with out too much difficulty ... Mind you a 10,000 Watt grow is very impressive to any grower when they're reasonably new to the scene.

Too do the ACE technique properly you have to grow Soiless or Hydro, or any other system where you have control over which nutrients the plants do or don't receive at which time during the grow.

3 weeks away from harvest (previous grow):

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GreenX ~ Glossary of Terms:
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I let my plants yellow out during flower, I grant you a ton of difference between a gradual depletion and a complete cut off, but the picture reminds me of some of my buds, heres a cola.



Im just stoned and saying its all relative. Would the results of the plants gradually eating all the nitro in the soil approximate in any way the effect you described? These are like 4 weeks pure water in fox farm 5 gal buckets.

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