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Old 09-03-2008, 04:20 PM
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Based on what has been posted and what I have looked up, don't see a reason it would HURT during veg vs. flower. It has some trace minerals and would help feed the micro-organisms in your soil. Probably better things out there for veg time, but I don't see it doing harm under normal conditions.
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During veg time the plant is still quite capable of doing most of the work that the micro-organisms would do.. Late in life they tend to dump alot out of their roots for some reason, and that leaves them lacking proper balance internally, so they rely more on the helpers.. Count me in the boat that believes it causes no harm early, but less benefit will arise from the practise early..
That's exactly my thoughts, I figured a vegging plant would mostly care for itself but I figure if there's nutes in the molasses that they use, there's no reason not to at least try.. so I'm going to, I'll add a tablespoon to my next gallon of water and see what happens.

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just read this thread through...ive used molasses for years in my outdoor grow during flower and have had great results.molasses boosts microbal activity at a time in the plants life cycle when your girls depend on them most...molasses restricts the uptake of nitrogen thereby allowing a more thourough cure of your finished product in a shorter time due to the fact that less nitrogen at finish means less chlorophyl during cure...also by growing plants side by side ,with and without molasses i have found that molasses grown plants have more resistance to mold,temperature fluctuations, bugs...hope this helps. good luck all...
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Do you know anything regarding the science, or have any documentation on molasses restricting N uptake?
Not saying it isn't true by any means, I've just never come across that, and I'm a science geek who likes the nitty-gritty..
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Here's someone post, they found a paper studying the N uptake in corn (a.k.a. maize, I learned a few years ago that what Europeans/Brits call corn ISN'T what Americans call corn). Here's his post a few pages back (it's easy for this stuff to get buried).
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Well Einsteins, here's a peer reviewed white paper that demonstrates how inefficient adding carbos to soil is. Only 0.6% uptake to new shoots. Unfortunately this process also lowers oxygen levels in the root zone. Low oxygen levels will encourage fungi and harmful bacteria.

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"The flow of carbon from roots into the rhizosphere represents a significant C loss from plants. However, roots have the capacity to recapture low molecular weight C from soil although this is in direct competition with soil microorganisms. The aim of this study was to investigate the behaviour of glucose in rhizosphere and non-rhizosphere soil, the plant’s potential to recapture sugars from soil and translocation and utilization of the recaptured sugars.

In microcosms containing maize plants we injected14C-glucose into the rhizosphere and followed its uptake into plants, upward and downward transport in the plant and soil, evolution as 14CO2 and incorporation into the soil microbial biomass. These fluxes were compared with non-rhizosphere soil. Glucose was rapidly mineralized in soil and the rate of turnover was significantly greater in the rhizosphere in comparison to non-rhizosphere soil. The amount of glucose captured by the maize plants was low (<10% of the total 14C-glucose added) in comparison to that captured by the soil microbial biomass.

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14C-glucose were transported to the shoot (0.6% of the total). The degree of glucose capture by maize roots whilst in competition with soil microorganisms was similar to similar experiments performed for amino acids. We conclude that while plant roots can recapture low molecular weight C from the rhizosphere, intense competition from soil microorganisms may reduce the efficiency of this process."

https://www.uni-hohenheim.de/~kuzyakov/K_SBB_2006_Glucose-Uptake-Maize.pdf

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no real science to back up anything...just been growing for a long time...i did comparison studies in my own garden over time bro.thats pretty much the way i developed my whole method.anyway if you get right down to it even if research was done on the subject as pertaining to weed,you would be hard pressed to find it,let alone believe it,because its been suppressed for a long time...i dont know for 100%certainty that my findings are totally because of molasses...i dont grow in a lab...ive used the stuff for years and ive never had a bad experience with it.i encourage you to do your own experiments.thats the only way to be sure right?good luck...peace
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I realize cannabis specific horticultural data is rare to say the least, that maize abstract is exactly the kind of thing I meant.. I do experiment, but collaborated experience is obviously beneficial.. Science isn't only about numbers and high tech analysis, responsible observation can qualify..
In my experience, not much observable difference occurs until about 75% through flowering.. At that point, the clones that got no molasses (pH flushed) started to really show their age in the leaves etc alot faster
than the plants getting molasses flushed, yet the trichromes matured at pretty much the same time..
Yield was 'probably' bettered by the molasses, but I'm iffy about what should get credit.. The molasses flushed buds had much more bag appeal though, that was undeniable..
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I look at it this way--just as all fish evolved to live in water, all plants evolved to soak up the very same sun and same types of nutrients. Of course there are niche organisms, of course each niche is different, leading to differing requirements for the given organism. But, sometimes, some things just "translate", if that makes sense. Extrapolate.

That being said, I'm using molasses to help spur the growth of microorganisms. I'm using it out front with some trees that were doing poorly (incense cedar) and they're doing much, much better than expected.
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My take on everything with my personal experiments.

I noticed a better taste and aroma with molasses, and have not stopped using it since. This was 4 years ago, then AN released Sweet Leaf, which is mostly molasses, and some other micro nutes... Not sure what. Same effects as using the molasses. As far as nutrient uptake, i didn't notice any difference in overall yield, and consider the possibility of effecting nutrient uptake negligable compared to the better taste.

I also use Carbo Load and keep a good fungal bacterial culture growing in the mix. Thanks to AN.
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