Root gel and some experiments - Page 11

pinksensa · #**101** 03-30-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fdd2blk

wow, that main stalk looks spooky crazy. i'm gonna go rub 5 gallons on my apricot tree. lol

spooky crazy in a bad way??? lmao!!!

fdd2blk · #**102** 03-30-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pinksensa

spooky crazy in a bad way??? lmao!!!

like an old oak tree or something.

pinksensa · #**103** 03-30-2008, 09:34 PM

whats crazy is it spreads to places i know i didnt touch but eh i needed some fatter branches and now i got them so ...

thegigglepimp · #**104** 03-31-2008, 03:46 AM

out of my two seedlings. I applied some gel in the water of one leaving the other. The one i watered with the gel looked like a write off at the time, it was shriveled up, really short, leaves wouldnt develop. Where as the other was perfect. Now the runt has over grown the other in height as well as leaf development. This one also emerged from the rockwool a day or two later than the other one. Coincidence or does this gel really boost growth??

FrostickZero · #**105** 03-31-2008, 06:43 AM

hey fdd I got a thing for you to try with new clone cuttings. try misting the leafs when ever you mist the dome to see what happens to them and if they will root faster

panhead · #**106** 03-31-2008, 07:56 AM

The growth rate of the plant that was fed root tone in its water has not slowed down one bit,the other plants from this strain which were put in 12/12 at the same time are ripening up fast with lots of red hairs, but this one just keeps fatening up,i checked my notes & these were put in 12/12 on 1-27-08, so their a little over 60 days in.

This is the pic posted earlier in the thread where i started to notice the explosive growth rate.

This pic was taken early this morning & shows the continued accelerated growth,the bud growth looks lumpy & abnormal when compared with the rest of the plants from the same strain that were not fed root tone.

The bud has gained allmost 3 inches in girth using a cloth tape & measuring around the outside of the circumference of the bud.

fdd2blk · #**107** 03-31-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by panhead

The growth rate of the plant that was fed root tone in its water has not slowed down one bit,the other plants from this strain which were put in 12/12 at the same time are ripening up fast with lots of red hairs, but this one just keeps fatening up,i checked my notes & these were put in 12/12 on 1-27-08, so their a little over 60 days in.

This is the pic posted earlier in the thread where i started to notice the explosive growth rate.

This pic was taken early this morning & shows the continued accelerated growth,the bud growth looks lumpy & abnormal when compared with the rest of the plants from the same strain that were not fed root tone.

The bud has gained allmost 3 inches in girth using a cloth tape & measuring around the outside of the circumference of the bud.

looks like you owe me three inches of girth. wait a minute..........

lol

wow, very nice looking cola regardless of what you did to it.

panhead · #**108** 03-31-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by fdd2blk

looks like you owe me three inches of girth. wait a minute..........

lol

wow, very nice looking cola regardless of what you did to it.

Thank you.

I know 3 inches sounds like alot but i measured in a circle & compared against a straight line measurement, its about 3/4 inch with the straight line measurement,the knobby bits are what gave it the added girth,i hope the bud fills in around them.

The rest of the plants do not have those knobby little chunks all over the cola's either.

Maccabee · #**109** 03-31-2008, 08:42 AM

That's a beauty you've got there, Panhead. The buds are so packed they're practically dripping off the stalk! Which makes me feel awful to have to ask you this:

What's the brand on your Rootone? I have "Rootone" powder from GardenTech, it's active ingredients are listed as NAA and Thiram!

When I looked into it, the material data sheet does show that it contains IBA as well. The problem is, the material data sheet also makes clear that this stuff has hazardous health effects.

http://www.gardentech.com/images/98GT_13_Rootone.PDF

Thiram is a pesticide. The toxicology data sheet for it is a freak show.
Look at the subsections after "Chronic Toxicity."

Thiram

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Carcinogenic Effects

When administered to mice at the highest dose possible, thiram was not carcinogenic (1). Dietary levels as high as 125 mg/kg/day for two years did not cause tumors in rats (1). Thiram can react with nitrate under mildly acidic conditions, like those in the human stomach, to form n-nitroso-dimethylamine, which has been shown to be carcinogenic in test animals (8).
All of the EBDC pesticides can be degraded or metabolized into ethylenethiourea (ETU), which has been classified as a probable human carcinogen by the EPA (10, 11). Marked increases in the incidence of liver tumors were observed in mice fed 32.3 mg/kg of ETU daily for 80 weeks. Rats fed 8.75 or 17.5 mg/kg daily for 18 months developed malignant thyroid tumors. In rats fed ETU at doses of 0.1, 1.25, 6.25, 12.5 or 25 mg/kg/day for nearly 2 years, a dose related increase in thyroid tumors was observed at the 12.5 and 25 mg/kg doses. Female mice fed doses of 16.7 or 50 mg/kg/day ETU for up to 2 years exhibited 58 and 96% incidence of malignant liver tumors, respectively. In this same study, there was also a significant increase in the incidence of thyroid tumors at the 50 mg/kg dose level (10).
Organ Toxicity

Two independent studies have shown evidence of damage to the liver by thiram in the form of decreased enzyme activity and increased liver weight (1). Thiram may also cause damage to the nervous system, blood, liver and kidneys (8). Several studies of the effects of EBDCs on test animals have shown rapid reduction in the uptake of iodine and swelling of the thyroid (i.e. goiter). In one study, a marked reduction of iodine uptake was measured 24-hours after administration of a large dose of maneb, another EBDC fungicide. A 90-day study of the effects of ETU, a common metabolite of the EBDCs on rat thyroids revealed a NOEL of 5 ppm (0.25 mg/kg/day) (1, 3).
Fate in Humans and Animals

In the body, carbon disulfide is formed from thiram and contributes to the toxicity of thiram to the liver (1). The ethylene bisdithiocarbamates break down in mammalian tissues into ethylenethiourea, the metabolite which has caused goiter and cancer in laboratory animals (10, 9).

I wouldn't give this shit to your plants on an ongoing basis.
DO NOT FOLIAR FEED WITH IT, ESPECIALLY IN FLOWERING. You don't want to inhale it. I suggest you flush the shit out of your plant before harvest.

We need to find an IBA product that doesn't contain a pesticide. FDD, what are you using?

thegigglepimp · #**110** 03-31-2008, 08:44 AM

This is the comparison in my experiment with photos:

Here is the seedling before i used the root gel solution:

This is her sis, both planted at the same time, this on emerged a day or two before the above one, and it was never that dark colour or had that problem with the leaves (apart from that slit lol)

Now these are them compared 4 /5 days later, the one on the right is the one i used the solution with.

Here it is up close:

This is my first time growing so this may have happened anyway, but its a bit suprising that it has out grown the other one, when they were both on exactly the same water and lighting throughout. Whats your thoughts?