I just got a new toy, it is an 5w led light that has a remote that will chage the color of the light, so you can set it to scroll between red and blue or change from red to yellow to white to blue and back to look like a natural day. it is awesomly bright, I think good enough to veg under, but flowering I don't know. they are also not ungodly expensive www.LEDwholesalers.com - High Power Color Changing LED Light Bulb Fast & Fade
I agree, I just get annoyed when someone says "not too good for..." when they probably have never seen a 5w LED that will light up my yard bright as day. Not trying offend but, has anyone tried these new 1w or 5w LEDs?