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Reply With QuoteMight work out fine..just make sure you look up the best solvent for each substance you are trying to find.
Making organic peticides
ok, so basically heres my plan, i am growing chrysanthemum, tomato plants, marigold and various herbs and plants.
my plan is to extract tannin from various sources such as willow or oak with a broad spectrum solevent such as acetone to both preserve my spray and give it some more power against the bugs. then i plant on extracting marigold and tomato terpines and poison with ISO alcohol. then last but not least for more specific terpines and stuff that has goodys butane for things like rosemary and fennel and mint.
then i plant on making 3 mixtures with different ratio so as to eliminate bug resistance over time and keep them refridgerated.
what do you guy think does anybody have any experience with this type of thing? i know we all know how to make hash this is only one step away.
tannic acid will help to preserve mixes, and refrigeration to help too, at room temp i would only expect a mix to last 3 months at best.
Might work out fine..just make sure you look up the best solvent for each substance you are trying to find.
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yep yep thats what i just spen time doing, i know acetone will be really good for tannin extraction other solevent will be too "picky" so to speak and you dont want too much tannins anyway this could prove fatal so you want a very diverse mix.
im unsure what i will use on the chrysaanthemum yet im thinking acetone or perhaps just pure dried powder of the plant.
as far as the tomatoes go i want the the smell and the oils but none of the sugars that they have this will just make it attract pest instead of detering them.
as for the rest im open to opinions, i got a pretty good idea of what im doing but all the chemicals in each plant are gonna act differently and take different extraction methods.
Tannins won't dissolve in acetone. Water will dissolve'm. cn
"My god ... it's full of stars!" - David BowmanneerGreen 2: Soilless growOriginally Posted by Heisenberg
your right i will shred and pressure press the tannis out with water. trying to thing of a cheap efficient way to do this with little plant byproducts.....
i know your going to say make a tea next but heating the tannins will lowers it strength, i want a strong but light colored tannin mixture. i will have to figure out a way to separate some of the water too.
Process chemistry is not often cheap or easy. I wish you luck. cn
"My god ... it's full of stars!" - David BowmanneerGreen 2: Soilless grow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tephrosia_virginiana
my newest find a pesticide called rotenone, similar to pyrethrins, but found in a hard to find platn so i may have some difficuty with this one
this is my updated list and the exaction solvent to be used;
chrysanthemum- Acetone
marigold- Alcohol
Tephrosia- Acetone
Mint-Alcohol
Cinnamon- Alcohol
Hot Peppers- Alcohol or Acetone possibly butane(been thinking of messing around and hard of people doing this already)
Tannins- will be "pressed thru screen with water and evaped
tomatoes- Acetone
this is pretty much the best way for extraction from my research due to chemical compatibility and preservation of chemicals. the only downside is possible heavy metals and contaminants from acetone, but i think the water added to make extracts should make such issues a non issue. dont know kind of winging it stilll waiting on plant materials will update as i learn more
I have found that no matter what derivative of pyrithrin I use, they become immune to it. Neem+Dawn works everytime. and 100% organic if you get the right dish soap.
lol, good advice, but not "Advanced".
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