Droopy leaves yellow spots everything right?

Im using 1000w dual arc cooled by an inline (temperature is not an issue), sunshine mix #4 soil with perlite, dolomite lime and peat moss. I am watering only when the pot feels almost dry weight, and feeding 1/4 strength fox farms products (have the full set) every other watering. I know im not overwatering or overfeeding, temps are good, PH is 6.5 -7.0. I am using a water filter that filter chlorine and sediment and flouride. Yet my leaves at times (like today when I got there) are very droopy, some of them almost touching the dirt. There are spots on some of the lower leaves that are yellowing and a little browning on one. Leaf tips are curling down on most of them as well. What is going on?

pH!! It's a soiless mix, it is 100% different from soil! You should be giving them a pH of 5.8-6.3! I have been using Sunshine Mix #4 VERY SUCCESSFULLY for nearly 2 years now, and I have never given them anything with a pH higher than 6.1 unless I was trying to raise it to 6.3 during my final flush.

How old are they? The Fox Farm nutrient line up isn't super-strong, so if your plants are big enough you can increases the PPM's, and do 1/2 strength if your plants are over or near 12". Do you have a PPM meter? The Grow Big and Tiger Bloom are concentrated, but Tiger Bloom is the only one I kind of worry about. That organic Big Bloom is just a concentrated tea, and you can pour half the whole fucking bottle in your reservoir and your plants wouldn't mind. I personally hate the Fox Farms base line up, but that was because I encountered my first failure with it, I have a buddy at a dispensary who grows some great nugs with it. I still love their boosts (although I don't use them anymore) and I love their "soil" (I still use Happy Frog a lot, which requires the same 5.8-6.3pH). One of the reasons I actually failed was because I treated my original home-made soiless mix like soil, and gave them a similar pH as you, but there is a lot of other things I fucked up on.

If you keep a reservoir of that stuff, make sure you keep your temps way low on it, and use a recirculating water pump, not an air pump! Air pumps will kill most of your biologicals, a water pump gently mimics a natural body of water. It is important to keep your temps down because this stuff goes rank fast. The Sunshine Mix is good shit bro, you'll be smokin' primo smoke in no time.

Dose fox farm have a calmag?if yes are u using it? How big are they

for what they told me a 6.6 is perfect for vegg. i feed my gals of all the nutrients which i call it (feeding day) then next feeding day i give it pure calmag and i dont ph it. during vegg plants need alot of N ..6.6

I will try the ph down, I dont have a pph meter. and they are about 8 inches tall. I was thinking it was N but I dont know, grow big should cover that rite? I dont have Calmag is that really necessary? By the wayu how do Ipost pics on here it says what is the url? I just wana take it from the cell phone, put it on the comp, then post it here so u guys can see how droopy and everything. Thanks every1 reps

DO NOT USE A PH OF 6.6!! that is a ph for soil. And while that will work amazing in soil, it will NOT work well in your Sunshine Mix #4. Please do not give advice unless you are 100% certain and have tested products that are being talked about.

YOU NEED A PPM METER!! Don't be cheap! You might be hungry, but your plants are starving! (but seriously, buy food for yourself before your garden)

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Ca/Mg is 100% necessary and you should be using it. You can use the organic ca/mg+ from General Organics, it would go well with your line up. If you can't get to the hydro store today, you can use molasses, it is also a carbon and carbohydrate supplement, as well as providing Ca, Mg, S(sulfur), and K (potassium) which are very improtant. Ca/mg is most important during the flowering stage, so while you may not SEE any problems now, you will later, and your plants could be a lot bigger and tougher right now with ca/mg. molasses will make your ph act funny, and your reservoir will sour quicker, but your plants love it. It's the "secret ingredient" in most organic liquid fertilizers.

Keep your ph between 5.8 and 6.3 More nitrogen is available at 5.9 and more potassium/phosphorus is available at 6.0-6.3, ca/mg and I believe sulfur are all available at a higher pH of 5.9-6.1 but I'm reading through a few books right now to be sure.


You want my best advice? Throw the Fox Farm in the trash and buy a TechnaFlora kit for 35 bucks. Fox Farm is more for growing fruits and vegetables.

Jozikins said:

DO NOT USE A PH OF 6.6!! that is a ph for soil. And while that will work amazing in soil, it will NOT work well in your Sunshine Mix #4. Please do not give advice unless you are 100% certain and have tested products that are being talked about.

YOU NEED A PPM METER!! Don't be cheap! You might be hungry, but your plants are starving! (but seriously, buy food for yourself before your garden)

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Ca/Mg is 100% necessary and you should be using it. You can use the organic ca/mg+ from General Organics, it would go well with your line up. If you can't get to the hydro store today, you can use molasses, it is also a carbon and carbohydrate supplement, as well as providing Ca, Mg, S(sulfur), and K (potassium) which are very improtant. Ca/mg is most important during the flowering stage, so while you may not SEE any problems now, you will later, and your plants could be a lot bigger and tougher right now with ca/mg. molasses will make your ph act funny, and your reservoir will sour quicker, but your plants love it. It's the "secret ingredient" in most organic liquid fertilizers.

Keep your ph between 5.8 and 6.3 More nitrogen is available at 5.9 and more potassium/phosphorus is available at 6.0-6.3, ca/mg and I believe sulfur are all available at a higher pH of 5.9-6.1 but I'm reading through a few books right now to be sure.


You want my best advice? Throw the Fox Farm in the trash and buy a TechnaFlora kit for 35 bucks. Fox Farm is more for growing fruits and vegetables.

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Well thanks brother after this supply of FF ferts is done ill be getting the technaflora then and see how it works out. So im going to ph way down, and get some calmag, (i have bud candy and BIG bud powder if they would help but thats more for flowering too) and ill let you know if they look better. calmag might take a while to get unfortunatly. what i would like to do is get a list of every possible reason my leaves would be droopy
and yellowing, and systematically cross off each thing i know is not the cause. when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. - sherlock holmes. i will also ghet a ppm meter as soon as possible, but im using this mix like soil, you guys keep talkin bout resevoirs. im just watering normally in a watering can if you didnt know

Using a reservoir just saves you trouble, you make a mix and it lasts a week, as longs you can keep the temps around 65-68*F. If you aren't using one, don't worry. If you have the money, grab the House & Garden line up, I fracking LOVE it, but Technaflora is definitely king when it comes to "bang for buck" and they give you a lot of "bang." You won't be getting a House And Garden Line up unless you got at least 200 bucks. The Technaflora kit is 35 buckaroos, and I'm smoking on some killer White Berry and SFV grown with it, right now. I forgot to mention this, but slowly lower your pH. If you already used a low pH, it's fine, check your run off water, and try and lower it slowly based on that. If not, it's really not a big deal, usually. Nothing I would freak out over. I could tell you exactly what the problem was, if I had a picture. Even a shitty cell phone picture.

Somebody say "bang"?

here are pics finally. please come back and tell me whats wrong!

Never used sunshine mix,is it a soil? if it is why wouldnt you put PH on 6.6 .... i use ocean forest

Kali Soul said:

Never used sunshine mix,is it a soil? if it is why wouldnt you put PH on 6.6 .... i use ocean forest

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no sunshine mix is SOILless...you'd lower your ph while using it. FFOF is a soil...FULL of nutes....sunshine mix isnt full of all the goodies.

I use a mix of FFOF and light warrior...(light warrior is really no different then sunshine mix).

1up to the technaflora line....just started using it! 9 part kit for $40 shipped..cant beat it. Although its only good for 2 crops....still best bang for the buck.

1up to jozikins for "You want my best advice? Throw the Fox Farm in the trash and buy a TechnaFlora kit for 35 bucks. Fox Farm is more for growing fruits and vegetables. "

fox farm nutes suck! I used them for way to long. tiger bloom is way to strong...and both tiger bloom and grow big can go bad on you quickly....dont toss out the big bloom...it lasts forever, and is good shit.

and bang...those are really small pics...but in the last one it didnt look like you have too big an issue....sure your not over watering? every other day???? even under my 1k hps, im waiting 3 days in between waterings. whats ur RH in your tent?

how far away is your light?

exactly how much are you feeding them of GB? Using SM #4 I never fed more then 1 1/2 tsp of GB per gallon. in veg...and usually 1-2 tbsp of BB

maybe try a flush with 5.5-6.2 range?

im doing exactly that (flush with ph down) and feeding exactly wat u said. my RH is 25 average,light is almost 2 feet from tops. when u say the technaflora kit lasted for two crops, is that 2 harvests? how many grows of about 15 plants would the 40$ kit see me through. and im talkin only about a month and half veg indoors?

lambofgod said:

no sunshine mix is SOILless...you'd lower your ph while using it. FFOF is a soil...FULL of nutes....sunshine mix isnt full of all the goodies.

I use a mix of FFOF and light warrior...(light warrior is really no different then sunshine mix).

1up to the technaflora line....just started using it! 9 part kit for $40 shipped..cant beat it. Although its only good for 2 crops....still best bang for the buck.

1up to jozikins for "You want my best advice? Throw the Fox Farm in the trash and buy a TechnaFlora kit for 35 bucks. Fox Farm is more for growing fruits and vegetables. "

fox farm nutes suck! I used them for way to long. tiger bloom is way to strong...and both tiger bloom and grow big can go bad on you quickly....dont toss out the big bloom...it lasts forever, and is good shit.

and bang...those are really small pics...but in the last one it didnt look like you have too big an issue....sure your not over watering? every other day???? even under my 1k hps, im waiting 3 days in between waterings. whats ur RH in your tent?

how far away is your light?

exactly how much are you feeding them of GB? Using SM #4 I never fed more then 1 1/2 tsp of GB per gallon. in veg...and usually 1-2 tbsp of BB

maybe try a flush with 5.5-6.2 range?

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You bring up a good point, make sure the soil is dry 1"-2" below surface before watering or feeding again during veg. Oh and my local shop owner recently called fox farm, and they still recommend 5.8 - 6.3 still in all their blends.

very helpful cant even give any more rep.

how long will that technaflora kit last me tho?

http://www.amazon.com/Recipe-Success-Starter-Fertilizer-Kit/dp/B0001XGP32/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1299266778&sr=8-2

the main three part kit (BC bloom boost and grow) are all 1 liter bottles...the rest of the line is 250ml and 120ml bottles respectively.

in a non perpetual grow, that 9 part kit should last you quite awhile....not so much in a perpetual grow. I try and keep RH at 40-55%...although I dont believe this is whats affecting you plants.

I'd say you may be able to get 2-3 crops of 15 plants each out of the start pack....thats a really rough estimate. This also depends on the size of grow bags/pots you use.

Foliar feeding my friend. just mix potassium or hormone with water (Snow Storm ultra or Liquid Karma or Olivias cloning solution) And wait for lights to turn off. Then spray your plants. Avoid using high concentrations of N and P if you can. it helps to put an extra fan inside your area when you foliar feed to help the evaporation so your spray doesnt stagnate. Should perk it right up.

Yellow pale and puffy appearing leaves with brown spots is indicative of plant edema. this is a common problem in indoor gardens and is often misdiagnosed as a cal mag deficiency. It is caused by having a warm moist root mass, High humdity in the air and poor circulation around the leaves. Basically, the roots are sending more moisture to the leaves than they can transpire. Often HIGH humdity levels during the dark period are to blame.

If this is your issue (couldn't see photos well enough) then straightening out your environment should correct the problem.

no my rh is low, that shouldnt be the problem, although it is tough to get runoff for some reason in the sunshine mix. ill try foliar feeding and they r lookin better since the ph fix and another feeding thanks all. that technaflora sounds perfect any1 else use this vs fox farms?