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budleydoright

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I started using GH Maxi-Bloom. It's their dry formula. A kilo costs about 12 bucks. Uses 2 tsp per gallon.

Honestly, the less stuff I put in my rez the better results I seem to get. Imagine that. I also use koolbloom dry and a sugar tit at the end. I do 36 plants 1 week veg under 2 1 ks. in coco coir. cost me less than 30 bucks a cycle
 

Jozikins

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I upgraded to hydro and went back to soil and soiless. Hydro is more upkeep, and you now need to control the environment of your reservoir, pain my ass! Maintaining pH in a DWC system is a bummer, every fucking day. When I skip days, I regret it. Some people like to drift their pH... I've never heard of such a ridiculous theory in my whole life. Stressing the ever-loving shit out of your plant with constantly inconsistent and uneven nutrients is not going to do anything but decrease yields. Stress can cause more frost, but this is bad information, and does not belong on this site.

Anyways, pH is a very big deal! I called Fox Farm and VermiCrop today, and they they explained that although a soil grow with pure organic nutrients is best at a higher pH, but even still, most Organic nutrients are only 35% (or some shit like that) Organic, as mandated. And a pH of 5.8-6.3 is best. They say the best idea is to follow the instructions on your nutrient chart that came with the product. Throw that fucking fox farm nutrient line in the garbage, post it up on Craigslist, or start a vegetable garden with it, it's a load of bullshit, and I feel like I can confidently say that it is not for cannabis cultivation.

Hydroponic gardening will only increase the speed at which you will veg, it will not speed up flowering. Usually the only thing that can do that is very expensive flower boosters that contain hormones, enzymes, and a bitch load of nutrients, and even then, the amount of time you cut vs the cost of the booster is a debated subject. It doesn't cut that much time, some of them don't do jack. If you are doing a SOG, a perpetual garden, or whatever, veg time means nothing. Soil and soiless medium is really easy to work with, control pH, and soiless is very clean, you can also very easily create beneficial life in your soil or soiless medium. It's fucking beautiful, in my opinion.

Despite what I say I know you will venture out into hydroponics, and I encourage it. It's all about knowing how to work with what you have. Sometimes people find hydro to be much simpler, and never go back to soil. It boggles my mind, I rather just mix up fresh nutrients once or twice a week and know it's going to be okay until the next mix. Some people rather make a mix and keep it, top it off for a month or two, and switch to flower, and then top it off until flush, and that is hydroponics. Doing that shit drives me nuts though, even if it's more efficient.

ALSO: Organic Farmers: The best advice I got from the VermiCrop customer service rep was; Add your nutrients and/or teas to your reservoir, and do not correct the pH. Adding pH buffers changes the balance of nutrients, and can kill a lot of the life growing in your solution. In the next 30 minutes to 24 hours, the organic life should naturally alter the pH to it's correct levels. "The tea knows my friend!" the rep explained, it should work with your plant, for your plant. If not, you should adjust your solution/tea, or consider changing to a premade one. The rep didn't have to tell me how good the VermiT is, I'm already a believer, I use it a lot up until late flower. I haven't used it in a while though, even though I am currently using their VermiSoil in like 3 of my plants.

If you have been growing for a long time and do not agree with this, I highly recommend some research and an experimental grow before contesting, I think the results will BLOW YOUR MIND!
 

bangthangonme

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well put. I always heard how fast aero and hydro is compared to a soil grow, but especially how much faster aero was. Ive been told harvest of regular strains in just over 2 months?
 

Jozikins

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well put. I always heard how fast aero and hydro is compared to a soil grow, but especially how much faster aero was. Ive been told harvest of regular strains in just over 2 months?
Indica and hybrid strains will flower as soon as 6 weeks, as late as 10 weeks (cool guy's like you and I don't use terms like "regular strains"). Sativa dominant and pure Sativa strains can take anywhere between 12-14 weeks. I've heard of some absolutely outrageous flower times on some Landrace Thai strains, but I have never grown, smoked, or seen anything like that before, as far as I know. This is not just true to soil, but to hydro as well. Faster flower times is often rumored in hydroponics for one simple reason: The first grow is usually a half-ass'd soil grow in a piss poor medium under shitty lights, and almost no knowledge, while the second grow is upgraded to hydroponics with the knowledge of how to grow and usually better or more equipment. And doing it right is what makes everything rock'n'roll on schedule... but we all know rock'n'roll has no schedule :cool:
I've been liking drain to waste coco in smart pots. Feels like a soil grow. Grows like a hydro grow.
I hear this a lot, I do a lot of soiless growing, and I haven't tried this method. But it does look and feel like hydro a lot, but with that easy soil attitude. I've only observed them in other gardens, in the demo rooms at the local hydro stores, and online though, never tried it.
 

budleydoright

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I mix up a batch of nutes, ph it and hand water every other day.

I'm getting really killer results without all of the rez hassles. PH is right every time and there are no defeciencies.

Kind of the best of both worlds. Easy and cheap to try.
 

phenob

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I veg my clones like this, soiless in coco, just out of pure laziness. Never expected it to really work well but it's been great. I throw the rockwool clone into a party cup full of coco and that's that. heh .. I don't even PH it, I Just mix the nutes into RO and drink up ladies. It's like a high school kegger.

I did get signs of mag deficiency when first trying this out. Per some advice regarding coco, adding about 10ml cal/mag per gallon into the sauce did the trick.
 

bangthangonme

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ok well if aero and hydro don't cut that much time at all off of the total cycle, im definitly sticking with soil or soiless- Joz i hear you about the simplicity, and not having to worry RIGHT away if something goes wrong in your setup. I think soiless mixed with some soil will even optimize what i have goin on right here, and ill keep a ph in between what they both like.
 

Jozikins

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ok well if aero and hydro don't cut that much time at all off of the total cycle, im definitly sticking with soil or soiless- Joz i hear you about the simplicity, and not having to worry RIGHT away if something goes wrong in your setup. I think soiless mixed with some soil will even optimize what i have goin on right here, and ill keep a ph in between what they both like.
Sounds like a game-winning plan.
 
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