Bushmaster and Gravity Questions? +rep for good advice

**purrrrple** · 03-05-2011, 09:26 AM

Yo Ben,
I've sat by for years and watched and listened as you've talked down and belittled people. Without fail, every thread I see you are talking about "snake oils" & "evil marketing" etc. It's just fucking annoying to listen to this shit for years. I'm not denying you have vast knowledge of plant biology and horticulture in general but you waste so much time/energy bashing other people/products it overshadows all the good info you have. Basically, in a nice way, just shut the fuck up.

**Uncle Ben** · 03-05-2011, 10:29 AM

....this coming from a snake oil junkie:

Originally Posted by purrrrple

Yo Ben,
I've sat by for years and watched and listened as you've talked down and belittled people. Without fail, every thread I see you are talking about "snake oils" & "evil marketing" etc. It's just fucking annoying to listen to this shit for years. I'm not denying you have vast knowledge of plant biology and horticulture in general but you waste so much time/energy bashing other people/products it overshadows all the good info you have. Basically, in a nice way, just shut the fuck up.

Just looking out for the folks.

Why don't you try another tact - either put me on ignore or refute my posts, with facts. Simple, eh? If your positions have any merit, they will prevail.

Let's start now, shall we? Where do you get off thinking a 0-2-0 has any real world plant nutritional value? We all know it's extremely expensive.

UB

**Uncle Ben** · 03-05-2011, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by dlively11

FYI Gravity works EXACTLY as advertised......

You mean, cannabis grows exactly as mother nature intended it to. Since reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strongest suit, I'll repeat the facts again:

"Gravity" (cute name) is nothing more than a very cheaply made phosphorus product, very watered down - 0-2-0....... and to further suck you in, added this, that, and the other in a worthless amount of .01%, claimed, not verified. I mean $23.00/8oz plus shipping costs, on a worthless product.....are you shittin' me? Try to find a bonafide analysis on these crap products. http://www.everydayhydro.com/gra403.html I also don't trust their analysis, I think they're lieing. A manufacturer provides soluble P in the form of a salt like MonoAmmonium phosphate, potassium phosphate. Accordingly, you're also adding N and K respectively. My educated guess is that it's phosphoric acid in a highly diluted state. Buy a highly concentrated acid for pennies (phosphoric acid) from a brew store.

.....a little goes a long ways.

Bullshit, who you trying to kid? An analysis of 0-2-0 is next to kin to pure water. A 1/2 tsp./gallon will have no real world effect, no nutritional value. Now...... a little of a 10-60-10 goes a long way. Learn what the numbers mean, kid. And for the record, Bonzi is a PGR. It's the real deal made by bonafide scientists, not made/sold by shysters out to screw stoners.

UB

**hoagtech** · 03-05-2011, 12:36 PM

Well it might be a plecebo effect that makes it work. Because I had leggy plants with little budsites on them. Then I used bushmaster And I have plump nice buds still forming. Seriously there are some people that belieive that positive thinking and confidence changes your world for the better. It Could just be your good intentions transcending to your plants. Haha jk Its early for me.. Im not sure sure I beleive that crap It sounds cool in my head so Im typin it.

**dlively11** · 03-05-2011, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Uncle Ben

You mean, cannabis grows exactly as mother nature intended it to. Since reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strongest suit, I'll repeat the facts again:

"Gravity" (cute name) is nothing more than a very cheaply made phosphorus product, very watered down - 0-2-0....... and to further suck you in, added this, that, and the other in a worthless amount of .01%, claimed, not verified. I mean $23.00/8oz plus shipping costs, on a worthless product.....are you shittin' me? Try to find a bonafide analysis on these crap products. http://www.everydayhydro.com/gra403.html I also don't trust their analysis, I think they're lieing. A manufacturer provides soluble P in the form of a salt like MonoAmmonium phosphate, potassium phosphate. Accordingly, you're also adding N and K respectively. My educated guess is that it's phosphoric acid in a highly diluted state. Buy a highly concentrated acid for pennies (phosphoric acid) from a brew store.

Bullshit, who you trying to kid? An analysis of 0-2-0 is next to kin to pure water. A 1/2 tsp./gallon will have no real world effect, no nutritional value. Now...... a little of a 10-60-10 goes a long way. Learn what the numbers mean, kid. And for the record, Bonzi is a PGR. It's the real deal made by bonafide scientists, not made/sold by shysters out to screw stoners.

UB

Look Unclue Ben, the shit works whatever they have in it just like Bushmaster works. I'll agree that they probably leave out some of their ingredients most like some type of hormone. Gravity does not offer barely noticable changes but rather VERY nticable change if applied correctly. I have used it on the same grows same strains from the same mother plants and the ones with Gravity while they were not larger buds they densness and weight was much much more on the Gravity fed plants. The buds I used it on were literally rock hard. Even while growing you can barely squeeze them at all. When dried they dont give at all. I gave some to several people and they complained because it was so hard it broke their grinder . Used it on strains that were known to be light anf fluffy and it turns them around. Tried all kinds of phosphoric acids and combos and nothing has made buds this hard that I can find . Look I am a freaking cheapskate too when it comes to nutes. I use powder nutes at less then 50% the cost of all the other BS out there. I am still willing to try stuff out and it if undeniably works I will implement it into my grows. I and other very experienced growers have tried

Look you are obviously more caught up into what YOU think doesnt work then what might work out there. I dont know if some nute manufacturer burned your house down or what but you have a real issue with them all.

**Uncle Ben** · 03-05-2011, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by hoagtech

Well it might be a plecebo effect that makes it work.

Ya think...?

**dlively11** · 03-05-2011, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Uncle Ben

Bullshit, who you trying to kid? An analysis of 0-2-0 is next to kin to pure water. A 1/2 tsp./gallon will have no real world effect, no nutritional value. Now...... a little of a 10-60-10 goes a long way. Learn what the numbers mean, kid. And for the record, Bonzi is a PGR. It's the real deal made by bonafide scientists, not made/sold by shysters out to screw stoners.

UB

I forgot to add, I guess it being like pure water is why many people have burned the crap out of their plants by using a little too much or not moving their lights up. The manufacturer even suggests this. Must be Placebo though ... lol ..

As for your precious OVERPRICED Bonzi with the PGR Paclobutrazol in it that you of all people paid $110 for. I posted a link on how to make it yourself by buying pure Paclobutrazol powder for $10 which was enough to make like 20 times what you just wasted your money on. Yet you still somehow piss on that as well. If anyone should have supported such a post to NOT support a big manufacturer I would have thought it would be you. Instead you are so caught up in being right and that I and others must be wrong you cut off your nose to spite your face. It would bother you so much to be "wrong" and to have spent 20X the money that you tried to turn it around in some typical BS fashion....... Priceless .... simply priceless......

**dlively11** · 03-05-2011, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by purrrrple

Yo Ben,
I've sat by for years and watched and listened as you've talked down and belittled people. Without fail, every thread I see you are talking about "snake oils" & "evil marketing" etc. It's just fucking annoying to listen to this shit for years. I'm not denying you have vast knowledge of plant biology and horticulture in general but you waste so much time/energy bashing other people/products it overshadows all the good info you have. Basically, in a nice way, just shut the fuck up.

amen brother a fvcking men.. I agree 100%. No one will listen to a guy like this in these types of threads because of how he comes across. Right or wrong. He continually DOESNT get his point across because he acts like a 5 year old having a tantrum.

**collective gardener** · 03-06-2011, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by purrrrple

Yo Ben,
I've sat by for years and watched and listened as you've talked down and belittled people. Without fail, every thread I see you are talking about "snake oils" & "evil marketing" etc. It's just fucking annoying to listen to this shit for years. I'm not denying you have vast knowledge of plant biology and horticulture in general but you waste so much time/energy bashing other people/products it overshadows all the good info you have. Basically, in a nice way, just shut the fuck up.

You're my new hero.

**Uncle Ben** · 03-06-2011, 08:48 AM

Placebo, psychosomatic....same dynamics.

People probably burned their plants because that's what they do - too much light, too much fertilizer, too much...... Doesn't mean it has a damned thing to do with the application of some snake oil.

Originally Posted by dlively11

As for your precious OVERPRICED Bonzi with the PGR Paclobutrazol in it that you of all people paid $110 for.

You know nothing about the real world of ag, just stoner bullshit. That is a very reasonable price for a product that is delivered to my door and comes with years, perhaps decades, of field trials and technical help. You can't say that about your Advance Shysters folks as they have no real world studies. They rely on hype, cute label names, claims, even half naked girls on their homepage (AN) as a draw. That is enough to scare away any reasonable person. Here is the EPA approved label for Bonzi - http://www.syngentaprofessionalprodu...8&ProdNM=Bonzi Found this interesting thread on what it 'may' contain: http://www.gardenscure.com/420/plant...-sea-weed.html

Like I said, you screw around with PGR's and this is what you get: < http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/floriculture/Rx/PGR Overdose Guide.pdf > Copy/paste the entire link. That first photo, upper right, could be due to the use of one your oils with da secret ingredients LOL. Of course, we really don't know what's in Bushmaster, what makes it work so well, do we? Trade secrets LOL.

I posted a link on how to make it yourself by buying pure Paclobutrazol powder for $10 which was enough to make like 20 times what you just wasted your money on.

I never got anywhere with it in regards to tech info, never even saw a price. If it doesn't come with support from professionals, I don't buy. Get it? Give me the link and I'll look again. If it's bonafide, I'll buy it next round. I doubt if I'll ever need anymore of this stuff as it is an extremely effective PGR in very small doses. In fact, it stays active in soils for a very long time.

Instead you are so caught up in being right and that I and others must be wrong you cut off your nose to spite your face

In case you didn't notice, the first page contains testaments to the contrary. Now..... you and your buds keep playing your silly anti-Uncle Ben forum politics. I'll be trying to protect the folks and deliver the facts.

I report, you decide,
UB