
11-28-2007, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by skunkushybrid This isn't true, a male plant can be just as potent as a female plant. I've only ever read one book about cannabis, and it was by Ed rosenthal, In many strains the male will just be as potent as the female. A male merely finishes quicker and provides less yield. | ineresting. we know THC is produced ONLY in the tricnome glands.
since the male has no flowers and very few leaves it's going to be producing trics at only a few places. but, i suppose if you pulled the trics off using electrostatic means or scraped them off somehow, you could smoke them as hash. but the yeild would be far less then the effort. | 
11-28-2007, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by closet.cult ineresting. we know THC is produced ONLY in the tricnome glands.
since the male has no flowers and very few leaves it's going to be producing trics at only a few places. but, i suppose if you pulled the trics off using electrostatic means or scraped them off somehow, you could smoke them as hash. but the yeild would be far less then the effort. | A male plant can also flower... although I believe (can't remember) that the optimum time to harvest a male is just before this event occurs. what is the male protecting, it's pollen sacks?
Although the male trich' could be merely left over from when cannabis was a hermaphrodite plant only. I believe it produces enough trich's to help it grow. | 
11-28-2007, 10:14 AM
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| | yea Skunk...totally agree. and the survival of the plant...from dessication, fungus/microbes and uv light protection all remain as reasonable means to protecting the pollen sacs...and perpetuating that particular plants genetic material. Quote:
Originally Posted by skunkushybrid A male plant can also flower... although I believe (can't remember) that the optimum time to harvest a male is just before this event occurs. what is the male protecting, it's pollen sacks?
Although the male trich' could be merely left over from when cannabis was a hermaphrodite plant only. I believe it produces enough trich's to help it grow. |
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11-28-2007, 10:25 AM
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| | a male plant can flower? i've never head of this? have you seen a male plant. it's a few leaves and alot of pollen sacks. if it flowers it must be a hermi. | 
11-28-2007, 10:29 AM
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| | I believe this is a matter of semantics....male plants do flower...that does not mean they produce buds like a female...but a fully flowering male plant )prior to blowing it's load) can have very substantial "flowering" growth.
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11-28-2007, 10:37 AM
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| | theres a huge difference between the 'bud' of a female plant and the pollen sacs of a male.
do you mean to say that when a male is producing pollen sacs it is flowering and therefore is producing THC in it's few trics? if that is the case its still a waste of time to collect those few. | 
11-28-2007, 10:51 AM
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| | yes...I think that it what I am trying to say. there is significant debate over the "concentration" of trichs for males vs females. you have stated that it is your opinion (and I acknowledge that of many others as well) that males have substantially less trich production and therefore likely lower THC production as well. I do not disagree. I am merely questioning the absolute and unequivocal manner in which many people refer to male plants as useless, and possibly even impotent as it relates to THC, which I am not convinced is founded in fact.
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11-28-2007, 11:49 AM
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| | A male can be just as potent as a female. Lets not forget that cannabinoids are present in the actual plant itself, and not just the trich's. Trouble with a male is that you get less weight, although it does finish quicker... also you have the problem of not pollinating the fem's. There is a specific time to harvest a male (i read that ed' rose' book back when i first started, I only borrowed it for one night though, so my memory is a little sketchy in this area), and i'm sure you smoke the pollen.
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11-28-2007, 12:36 PM
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| | skunk, what you just said does not jive with current research. according to the link i sent you: The resin spheres contain the THC. It is not contained in the leaf or floral bract. After the resin spheres are dissolved in solvent or dislodged by electrostatic attraction, and a microscopic examination of the leaf or floral bract has revealed that only the glandular trichomes' stalks remain, no effect will be felt after smoking the dried plant material from which the resin spheres have been removed.
which is why you need UVB light during flowering: If the UVB photon is missing from the light stream(a), or the intensity as expressed in µW/cm2 falls below a certain level(b), the phytochemical process will not be completely energized with only UVA photons which are more penetrating but less energetic, and the harvested resin spheres will have mostly precursor compounds and not fully realized THC(c). so leaves do not have cannabinoids. if you feel high it is the trics on the leaves giving you a little hit of THC.
so, i understand that males produce 'some' trics. and theTHC in them is just as potent as their female siblings of the same mother/father. they just hardly have any trics so they're not much good for a high. but, if you consider the fact that the precursors NEED UVB light to mature to THC, then the best time to try to smoke anything off a male is around the same time you would harvest the females: late in the year when UVB light is at it's highest, due to the position of the sun.
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11-28-2007, 12:37 PM
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| | do you mean this book? I believe I bought this book in 1971 or 73? can't remember. Quote:
Originally Posted by skunkushybrid A male <U>can be</;U> just as potent as a female. Lets not forget that cannabinoids are present in the actual plant itself, and not just the trich's. Trouble with a male is that you get less weight, although it does finish quicker... also you have the problem of not pollinating the fem's. There is a specific time to harvest a male (i read that ed' rose' book back when i first started, I only borrowed it for one night though, so my memory is a little sketchy in this area), and i'm sure you smoke the pollen. |
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