The Evolution of the Trichome - Page 11

tahoe58 · #**101** 11-28-2007, 08:28 AM

understood. these are adapative changes that are inherent in most biological organisms. and if/when environments change (again), these adapative change will predominate (again).

so have the needs of the male plant over eons meant (through continuous adaptive change) that they do not need to be "as protected" from the elements as females, and therefore females have the dubious distinction of having more trichomes and more THC. this would suggest that the strong adaptive/evolutionary advantage comes from trichormes/THC protecting the seed production capacity as a more important variable than the other "purposes".

I dunno know...I'm just trying to better understand why males plants are not as potent and therefore shunned. if the real reason for trichomes and THC was all those "other" preventative measures or defensive mechanisms, seems to me that the male plant would have more equal distribution of defense mechanisms (trichomesa) as compared to the female.

natmoon · #**102** 11-28-2007, 08:53 AM

Females are always well protected in all species that have male and female sexual repro as they have the ability to become true hermaphrodites.
This includes human females whereas the theories that i know of are that a human females ovaries will become testicles and the clitoris will become a small yet effective penis or another one is that one of the females ovaries will become an internal testicle and that when she masturbates she will fertilize her own egg.

This is a theory that is obviously all speculation and applies when and if there are no men left and only several women or 1 woman in the theory where she fertilizes her own egg.

A man however cannot do this but a male cannabis plant can create its own seeds but it is highly unlikely that its seed will produce a real female only severely hermiefied things.

skunkushybrid · #**103** 11-28-2007, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tahoe58

understood. these are adapative changes that are inherent in most biological organisms. and if/when environments change (again), these adapative change will predominate (again).

so have the needs of the male plant over eons meant (through continuous adaptive change) that they do not need to be "as protected" from the elements as females, and therefore females have the dubious distinction of having more trichomes and more THC. this would suggest that the strong adaptive/evolutionary advantage comes from trichormes/THC protecting the seed production capacity as a more important variable than the other "purposes".

I dunno know...I'm just trying to better understand why males plants are not as potent and therefore shunned. if the real reason for trichomes and THC was all those "other" preventative measures or defensive mechanisms, seems to me that the male plant would have more equal distribution of defense mechanisms (trichomesa) as compared to the female.

This isn't true, a male plant can be just as potent as a female plant. I've only ever read one book about cannabis, and it was by Ed rosenthal, In many strains the male will just be as potent as the female. A male merely finishes quicker and provides less yield.

tahoe58 · #**104** 11-28-2007, 09:04 AM

interesting thoughts and theories. 'preciate your bringing this forward. spo the evolution of the prduction of concetrated trichmoes and THC was driven primarily to protect the seeds through the direct protection from dessication, fungus/microbes, etc.

In my other thread, I am trying to see if we can further this understanding by exploring the relationship of trichome/THC wirth UVB light. the destructive potential of UVB light is also worth protecting against. so does that mean we should be able to isolate and breed for increased trichome/THC through UVB light manipulation? that's the question I am posting there.

tahoe58 · #**105** 11-28-2007, 09:06 AM

really? then why do people immediately shat upon them and through them away. why would you not take the necessary precautions and take advantage to make some decent oil or bubblehash...or tincture?

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This isn't true, a male plant can be just as potent as a female plant. I've only ever read one book about cannabis, and it was by Ed rosenthal, In many strains the male will just be as potent as the female. A male merely finishes quicker and provides less yield.

skunkushybrid · #**106** 11-28-2007, 09:13 AM

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really? then why do people immediately shat upon them and through them away. why would you not take the necessary precautions and take advantage to make some decent oil or bubblehash...or tincture?

People that know... do.

skunkushybrid · #**107** 11-28-2007, 09:14 AM

Besides, it's hard to keep males safely without threat of them pollinating the fem's. Even a fly could do it.

closet.cult · #**108** 11-28-2007, 09:19 AM

think about it like this:

85% of all genetic material in ALL human's DNA in included in our each of us. Even if you don't look dark, the DNA is there, recessively.

if a plant can't handle the cold, it dies. but it's brother, not too far way, grown from a seed which dropped from the same plant as the dead one, lives because the hearty cold gene is dominate.

plant vigor is based on its environment, assuming it is genetically healthy. evolutionary adaptation takes place on too long a time scale for anyone to see with their eyes, so far as we know.

for example: records show people today live longer and are taller and bigger then the past (thousands of years ago even). is this evolution? no. it is medical and diet awareness that are creating a healthy generation that are reaching their FULL POTENTIAL for body size and mass. like giving a plant everything it needs will create a 'monster'. really, any healthy plant could acheive that with the same care.

tahoe58 · #**109** 11-28-2007, 09:40 AM

great post.... that is so true...maximizing the genetic potential.....through maximizing favourable environment conditions - we do this for our human children every day. thanks for putting this forward.

but because we have the option of selectively breeding for particular traits that we desire, and that plant "evolution" can be so-called compressed with ans many as 5 generations in one calender year....with knowledge, experience, commitment, and diligence - could we begin the processs of "creating" a strain that produced a preponderence of trichome/THC under UVB exposure conditions?

Or am I missing the point here?

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Originally Posted by closet.cult

think about it like this:

85% of all genetic material in ALL human's DNA in included in our each of us. Even if you don't look dark, the DNA is there, recessively.

if a plant can't handle the cold, it dies. but it's brother, not too far way, grown from a seed which dropped from the same plant as the dead one, lives because the hearty cold gene is dominate.

plant vigor is based on its environment, assuming it is genetically healthy. evolutionary adaptation takes place on too long a time scale for anyone to see with their eyes, so far as we know.

for example: records show people today live longer and are taller and bigger then the past (thousands of years ago even). is this evolution? no. it is medical and diet awareness that are creating a healthy generation that are reaching their FULL POTENTIAL for body size and mass. like giving a plant everything it needs will create a 'monster'. really, any healthy plant could acheive that with the same care.

tahoe58 · #**110** 11-28-2007, 09:42 AM

hehehehe good one. I guess there has just been so much said about the uselessness of males that I had myself convinced there was absolutely NO value in retaining a male plant.

In my case. I will have two different rooms, on separate floors of the house (1 top floor and one garage) which I believe will be sufficiently separated that contamination is unlikely....though I would have to be careful not to the the vector of transport myseslf!

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People that know... do.

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Besides, it's hard to keep males safely without threat of them pollinating the fem's. Even a fly could do it.