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    I've been thinking on and off about air flow in the garden and how any intake vent on the bottom side of the grow room is going to curve up to the exhaust and air in parts of the garden may be stagnet. I've seen some cabinet grows with air intake vents under the floor so I drilled 120 x 1/2" holes in the 8' x 3' floor of my flower cage and made the rest of the cage more air tight. My cage floor is 34" off the room's floor. The cage walls stop just below the cage floor to allow lots of air flow.

    I rolled my walls down and right away I could feel a positive air pressure. I stood up on the air floor with the walls down and I could feel a breeze coming up through the holes, all over the floor. When I put the plants back their leaves were shaking slightly from the breeze. Now I'll see if the fresh air coming from under the leaves makes the plants grow better.

    I didn't want to weaken the 1" plywood too much so I drew a grid with rows and columns 3" apart and skipped every second spot on the grid. I'm going to use a 1" drill bit to ream out some of the holes on the two end panels,to increase the air flow away from the air exhaust in the middle of the cage. 6" between holes in a row or colum, ~4" diagonally. The area of a 1/2" hole is ~0.2", a 1" hole has an area of ~0.785".



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    My floor is cut into 4 sections of 24" x 37", I drilled 30 holes per panel. On the seams I drilled every spot because there was nothing to weaken. The faint circles are where each of the 12 buckets go when the garden is full.

    The grid feels like a low flow air hockey machine.





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    The Light Rail and closed interior, the air exhaust on the middle left. Putting the Reflectix roof on brightened the room more than I thought it would.






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    "A leaf is usually a thin, flexible "sandwich" of plant cells. The outside, the "bread", has waxy cells, to help keep moisture inside the leaf. But it also has holes, called stomata, that allow for the exchange of gases for respiration. Plants "breath in" carbon dioxide (CO2) and "exhale" surplus oxygen (O2), through the stomata, which are mainly on the underside of the leaf."
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    Leaf pores, called stomata, are microscopic structures that control the exchange of water and carbon dioxide between the plant and the atmosphere. Stomata evolved when plants colonised land about 400 million years ago and have kept the same general shape ever since. But their size and number has changed quite considerably throughout their history.

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    Stomata in green.



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    nice dude. Yeah, my normal tents have panda film but one had that etal stuff inside and the reflection was awesome. As a joke I draped some aprty mylar over a light and it was awesome. Like another light. I got to get some of that stiff metal up. Lol, I saw the floor and thot of an airhockey table. That would be awesome, let your plants bump around. Talk about light. I dont think that the leaves woud get wind burn. I had this happen. It is ugly. But was a big fan right next. Nice room. Co2 ready?
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    Nice Hobbes. I totally understand your idea of drawing the fresh air across the stomatas from the underside up. Brilliant!

    I just wonder if the amount of air that you can have flowing across the leaves without windburning them will be enought to keep your temps at the right level. Since you're using a lightrail and it's a huge tent I think you'll be fine, especially if you're at a higher latitude. I'm really far south in a hot, hot place and I need crazy heat extraction via fans and portable a/c. Hmmmmmm, if i could do the same and have my a/c output cold air under the floor to be drawn upward I think even I could do the same...

    I wonder though, it's preferable to have the substrate a little warmer than the air above the ground level so I wonder how this will affect that?

    Gotta keep us posted on this one bro! Great ingenuity!

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    Hobbes great ingenuity at work
    "It was wonderful, to see how, after only a few turns, the colors became mixed, apparently in random fashion. It was tremendously satisfying to watch this color parade. Like after a nice walk when you have seen many lovely sights you decide to go home, after a while I decided it was time to go home, let us put the cubes back in order. And it was at that moment that I came face to face with the Big Challenge: What is the way home?"

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    It worked or what?

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    The Air Floor works very well Kevin - my yield is up to just over: 3 litres a bucket (average); 12 buckets in an 8'x3' garden; under a 600 watt light. Weight per litre at a low estimate of 60 grams per litre after a 4 week cure; 25% of cut weight; 40% cut volume. It comes to just over 3 1/2 cured grams per watt.

    60 grams x 3 litres x 12 buckets = 2,160 grams / 600 watts = 3.6 grams / watt

    The Air Floor: feeds fresh CO2 to the stoma under the leaves (yield, potency, flowering time); removes excess humidity from the canopy (mould and bugs)

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    I was just thinking the other day about large server rooms and how they vent. It's very common to find this sort of floor injection, and I was wondering how it would translate to growing. Bad ass to see that you've played around with it!

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    Hobbs I must say it's a great idea. I just duplicated your room last week and put 2 twenty inch fans underneath. But i was wondering from the wood deck to the floor did you cover the frame work around your the lower part of your box or was it left open like mine?
    I was thinking of sealing that bottom part where the fans are to create more pressure.That way the air is forced up and not pushed out the sides. Is that what you did? I couldn't tell by your pics.Dads 800.jpg

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    Congratulations Just Grow It, it looks great.

    "But i was wondering from the wood deck to the floor did you cover the frame work around your the lower part of your box or was it left open like mine?
    I was thinking of sealing that bottom part where the fans are to create more pressure.That way the air is forced up and not pushed out the sides. Is that what you did? I couldn't tell by your pics."

    I agree with you, most of the air being pushed up will be deflected by the floor bottom. If you put the curtain around that lower shelf - leaving the bottom free - you will get better pressure.

    Another option is to do the same with the top, using your fan to create a low pressure system in the chamber and pull air through. Either way, a chamber will even pressure across your air in take holes.

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