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Old 11-05-2009, 01:17 PM
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You should. Based on a quick look at your journal, you've got some serious leaf chlorosis and yellowing. A food with a higher amount of N would fix it. Problem is, most of the food vendors you're using do not understand the function of N as reflected by the makeup of their products, or don't care.

You're wasting your time and money. It will have no beneficial effect during veg. Superthrive for starts can and will work against you, it is a synthetic hormone and Vitamin B1 that is meant to induce root cell division and elongation. It should be used only as a root drench at no more than 10 drops per gallon.

Advanced growers do not use cannabis specific foods like AN. They understand the function of the 16 essential elements. They buy high quality foods, not glamorized snake oils. If it sounds too good to be true, watch out.

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Thanks for the great info. So your saying i should feed with something with a high nitrogen value for vegging? Or throughout the whole grow? Also i only use like 3 drops per gallon so hopefully it has done any harm to my babies. Really appreciate the advice man. Love learning from experienced growers. I've only been growing for a year and a half
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Thanks for the great info. So your saying i should feed with something with a high nitrogen value for vegging? Or throughout the whole grow? Also i only use like 3 drops per gallon so hopefully it has done any harm to my babies. Really appreciate the advice man. Love learning from experienced growers. I've only been growing for a year and a half
N is the macro that promotes plant vigor and green healthy leaves. You need to check out the NPK ratios of your favorite foods. I think you'll find them lacking in N COMPARED TO the other macros, and that is the key - the ratio. Never have understood why. Here are fertilizers designed for foliar production that have been around for a decades and worked well, formulas like 30-10-10 or a 9-3-6 and the cannabis specific guys come along and try to pan off some NPK ratio like a 3-2-6 as a "grow food", to use for veg. What happens? Plants yellow, prematurely lose leaves, don't have as much vigor as they should, develop leaf chlorosis, yields suffer...it's laughable.
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N is the macro that promotes plant vigor and green healthy leaves. You need to check out the NPK ratios of your favorite foods. I think you'll find them lacking in N COMPARED TO the other macros, and that is the key - the ratio. Never have understood why. Here are fertilizers designed for foliar production that have been around for a decades and worked well, formulas like 30-10-10 or a 9-3-6 and the cannabis specific guys come along and try to pan off some NPK ratio like a 3-2-6 as a "grow food", to use for veg. What happens? Plants yellow, prematurely lose leaves, don't have as much vigor as they should, develop leaf chlorosis, yields suffer...it's laughable.
Sorry to thread jack, but UB what would you consider the 16 essentials then? why are only npk values added to all products? I am in the process of mixing up some of subcools soil and trying soil for the first time. I have always been into hydroponically grown things.
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Sorry to thread jack, but UB what would you consider the 16 essentials then? why are only npk values added to all products? I am in the process of mixing up some of subcools soil and trying soil for the first time. I have always been into hydroponically grown things.
heres 14 of them i believe...


Primary nutrients:
Nitrogen, Phosphorus and Potassium

Secondary nutrients:
Calcium, Sulfur and Magnesium

Micro-nutrients:
Iron, Zinc, Copper, Manganese, Boron, Chlorine, Molybdenum and Selenium

(maybe carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen are the others? but thats 17, idk...)

there are others that some say may be beneficial but not essential : Cobalt (Co), Silicon (Si), Vanadium (V), Sodium (Na)

References:
Brady and Weil, 2002, The Nature and Properties of Soils, 13th edition, use the list of 18.
Havlin et al., 1999, Soil Fertility and Fertilizers, 6th ed., use the list of 16 because the others are not required by all plants.
Some online resources that may be useful are given by Brady and Weil. All use the list of 16.
http://www.greenair.com/interpri.htm
http://www.hydrofarm.com/content/art...ors_plant.html
http://www.soil.ncsu.edu/publication...Micronutrients

what do u think ben... did i get it?
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you got it jberry. Here's a great link. Notice the balance one must achieve or you end up with a situation where one element ends up being antagonistic to others because it dominates. http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/c...nutri_def.html
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Sorry to thread jack, but UB what would you consider the 16 essentials then? why are only npk values added to all products? I am in the process of mixing up some of subcools soil and trying soil for the first time. I have always been into hydroponically grown things.
you got it jberry. Here's a great link. Note that a balance must be achieved or you end up with a situation where one element ends up being antagonistic to others (regarding uptake) because it dominates. IOW, too much K will be antagonistic to the uptake of N, Mg, and Ca. http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/c...nutri_def.html
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