Genetic Markers and the future of all plants

PotPatriot · #1 10-27-2009, 07:49 AM

Everyone knows how Monsanto corporation controls the worlds seed stock now right ? well if you dont watch Food Inc. for the long version short version is paraphrased in point, Think about this, Cannabis one day in say the next 100 years or so may be the ONLY source of non genetically modified food on the planet,I say this because 150 years or so ago humans consumed over 135,000 varities of food sources, present day we consume about 35,000,

Monsanto corporation has been genetically modifying soybeans and wheat with a kill gene, this kill gene makes it so the seed from the crop is sterile and will not germinate forcing the farmer to purchase seeds from the evil bastard Monsanto. This is significant because no man should be allowed to lay patent to something a "god" created or even if by evolution, we still have no right to own something as divine as life, agree? if not PTHHHH JOG ON!!!

My question is this

If cannabis is the super producing food/fuel/goods plant we all know it to be, how long do you think it will be before the corporations who fought so hard to outlaw us from growing this miracle plant will try to put kill genes into one of the last great sources of almost every consumable by human good i:e: food/ fuel / medication / oils / and the list goes on, Do we quietly keep our own seed stock and have our own doomsday vault which is being funded and built by none other than Monsanto/Bill Gates and by proxy a slew of chemical/fertilizer companies who stand to gain over the next 100 years of round-up ready bullshit food...i need a break Im getting pissed....

maxwelljr · #2 10-27-2009, 07:53 AM

C.R.E.A.M
cash rules everything around me
but not me, thank god.
But, yes, it's upsetting to hear this, but, fuck it what can you do?

PotPatriot · #3 10-27-2009, 12:05 PM

well for starters, grow your own heirloom vegetable garden, save seeds and store them for future seasons, much like we do with the cannabis now, and also, I believe somewhere, someone needs to start storing the parent strains and f1 hybrid crosses seeds and sit on that shit....maybe take it out and breed it out every decade or so....we very well could lose it if they wanted to make it gone....Farmers that have been saving and making their own seed since their great great grandparents are being sued out of existence and farming, But I am interested to hear other peoples opinions on the theory.

captiankush · #4 10-27-2009, 12:28 PM

Already with you brother, I have several projects in the works to firm up some "clone only" genetics as well as seed projects to further the line of some girls I really love.

maxwelljr · #5 10-27-2009, 09:38 PM

That is a great idea, you're absolutely correct.

widow0maker · #6 10-28-2009, 08:14 AM

Sounds a lot like feminized seeds....they can't reproduce. How is that any different? Is it because Monsanto is purposely doing it and cannabis breeders aren't when they make feminized/auto flower strains? I say who cares, the effect is still the same. Your intention doesn't make an outcome good or bad. PBS has a documentary on Monsanto, and more so genetically modified food. I think its called "harvest of fear"

RickWhite · #7 10-28-2009, 09:54 AM

Genetically modified organisms are intellectual property that cost a great deal of R & D money to produce. Many of these represent huge advancements in agriculture, nutrition, flavor etc. There are many benefits in producing them - read about golden rice here: http://www.goldenrice.org/

In fact, we have been genetically modifying food for centuries and pot is no different. The difference is that where we used to use selective breeding and asexual propagation, we now know how to reprogram the organism's DNA to do all kinds of good things. Really I am surprised nobody has produced GM weed yet.

As for the kill gene; this is a necessary step for a couple of reasons. Obviously, they don't want people infringing on their patented product, but also, they do that to ensure that the GMO doesn't breed with the wild strains and wipe them out. For instance, GMO salmon grows 3 times as fast as wild salmon. Should GMO salmon escape from hatcheries into the wild, they would clearly wipe out the native species.

In the end, there is nothing evil about producing GMOs and protecting your intellectual property. And the consumer is probably better off buying their superior product. However, I can see how it might sound like an attempt to control the food supply. But, I'm sure you will still be able to buy natural seed strains at some specialty stores. Sales of "organic" foods prove that there is a market for inferior foods that cost more and are more problematic to grow and more harmful to the environment. All this really is is an appeal to nature fallacy.

aubud · #8 10-29-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RickWhite

Genetically modified organisms are intellectual property that cost a great deal of R & D money to produce. Many of these represent huge advancements in agriculture, nutrition, flavor etc. There are many benefits in producing them - read about golden rice here: http://www.goldenrice.org/

In fact, we have been genetically modifying food for centuries and pot is no different. The difference is that where we used to use selective breeding and asexual propagation, we now know how to reprogram the organism's DNA to do all kinds of good things. Really I am surprised nobody has produced GM weed yet.

As for the kill gene; this is a necessary step for a couple of reasons. Obviously, they don't want people infringing on their patented product, but also, they do that to ensure that the GMO doesn't breed with the wild strains and wipe them out. For instance, GMO salmon grows 3 times as fast as wild salmon. Should GMO salmon escape from hatcheries into the wild, they would clearly wipe out the native species.

In the end, there is nothing evil about producing GMOs and protecting your intellectual property. And the consumer is probably better off buying their superior product. However, I can see how it might sound like an attempt to control the food supply. But, I'm sure you will still be able to buy natural seed strains at some specialty stores. Sales of "organic" foods prove that there is a market for inferior foods that cost more and are more problematic to grow and more harmful to the environment. All this really is is an appeal to nature fallacy.

You sir, are a smart man.

donkeyote · #9 10-29-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RickWhite

Genetically modified organisms are intellectual property that cost a great deal of R & D money to produce. Many of these represent huge advancements in agriculture, nutrition, flavor etc. There are many benefits in producing them - read about golden rice here: http://www.goldenrice.org/

In fact, we have been genetically modifying food for centuries and pot is no different. The difference is that where we used to use selective breeding and asexual propagation, we now know how to reprogram the organism's DNA to do all kinds of good things. Really I am surprised nobody has produced GM weed yet.

As for the kill gene; this is a necessary step for a couple of reasons. Obviously, they don't want people infringing on their patented product, but also, they do that to ensure that the GMO doesn't breed with the wild strains and wipe them out. For instance, GMO salmon grows 3 times as fast as wild salmon. Should GMO salmon escape from hatcheries into the wild, they would clearly wipe out the native species.

In the end, there is nothing evil about producing GMOs and protecting your intellectual property. And the consumer is probably better off buying their superior product. However, I can see how it might sound like an attempt to control the food supply. But, I'm sure you will still be able to buy natural seed strains at some specialty stores. Sales of "organic" foods prove that there is a market for inferior foods that cost more and are more problematic to grow and more harmful to the environment. All this really is is an appeal to nature fallacy.

what he said....

I don't think we will ever have to worry about losing seed stock to the big corps. It's too easy to grow, it's too easy to produce seeds, and the cannabis subculture is too big and well established to ever let that happen.

aubud · #10 10-29-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by donkeyote

what he said....

I don't think we will ever have to worry about losing seed stock to the big corps. It's too easy to grow, it's too easy to produce seeds, and the cannabis subculture is too big and well established to ever let that happen.

It would take decades for this to happen the marijuana... even with legalization in the US the subculture would still be around to the point where seed gene pools wont get too small. Hell the only issue i see right now is that 90% of the time when you get a bag you don't know what random ass strain it is! (my medical clinic is a dealers house, not a legit one lol)