Im getting started on my 4th grow. Every grow ive done has been from bag seeds and for the most part i get good results usually less than desirable but good.

so i decide after a few months of research that im going to start a breeding program with bag seeds i have. Figure my first step is identifying what if any good qualities these seeds possess.

Now this is where im confused. would the best way to do this be to backcross to get closer to the original strain(s) or to inbreed the good traits in the generation im planting.how would i backcross without any parent generations?maybe with a Hermaphrodite?

Personally I would just recomend buying the seeds from a quality strain already in existence.

It's fast and safe and there are a few ways to pay and you will actually know what kind of tendencies the plant has before you grow it so you aren't really playing any guessing games.

Breeding isn't rocket science but to get good results requires a lot of experience and you will need good genetics from the BEGINNING and not just try and make something great out of something not so great (this isn't a rag to riches movie).

Hope that helps.

NEVER USE HERMAPHRODITIC PLANTS!!!!!!!!!!!

after finding and establishing clone mothers, you may decide to breed for a seed copy. grow out similar bag seeds, or start fresh.

select a male; your male should be one of the fastest growing, stinkiest and most resilient plant of the group. pollinate your mother. mature and dry seeds, start round 2....

select a male; repeat above step. start round 3...

do this for at least 6 generations. after 3 gens, you'll be pretty stable, but not entirely. after 6, you'll pretty much be able to grow clone like plants from your seed stock

hope this helps.

But even with seed companies there are issues like misleading names...and besides im not trying to make a marketable plant im just trying to grow with with what i got,and harvest for personal reasons...im not trying to get rich or have a movie made about me lol.

it is arrogant to think that one of the first plants to be domesticated has been made much stronger in the past 20 years, strong strains have existed for centuries,however the knowledge required to grow them to their full potential is only recently being developed in the west. how many separate grow spaces do you have? ideally you want to pick out two or three females you really like, and breed them to a male with the qualities already described in a previous post. compare the offspring, you want a large selection of offspring from each mother, whichever group has the highest percentage of femal plants that closely resemble the mother will indicate which mother has the most dominant genetics, ie ones that will be easy for you to stabilize. now out of this group you select the best female and male, the male should also have qualities like the original mother as far as smell color and whatever you want. they make babies. out of these babies you find your ideal male and breed it back to that first mom that passed the dominance test, there babies are bred to the original father. these seeds are f4s, pretty stable. two more generations of best male offspring to female offspring and you will get very uniform clone like plants and if bred with another stabilized line you have a proper f1 with all the lovely benefits of hybrid vigour and the process continues forever...

and i have seen gorgeous plants grown from bagseed.

I don't know why people get have so much bad luck with bag seed, I strike gold everytime, I even found a plant so damn good, i cloned it and it goes so fast I can't keep up with demand, I might have to raise prices. Bag seed is like rolling the dice, I've found red hairs, purples, something so sweet and delicious I called it Sativa bubble gum, (the bomb) , However because I'm curious and like to see what the pros are breeding I buy seeds, I love genetics of all kind. My new lucky find is a plant that smells like some of the best goumet mint you can buy, I quess I'll name it lemon mint, I could market these genetics easy, but the cost running a seed farm is a bitch, ANYWAY- My suggestion is to find a good mother, clone it and seed the clones with a healthy looking father, if the seeds arn't what you want, you still have the mother, keep her isolated and in a very clean and healthy enviroment. Keep searching, it's like a soul thing, wonderful. However you can also buy a few seeds for around 30 dollars with shipping, I just recieved some Mango seeds today and thier suppose to have buds like big bud, who knows, it's always a dice roll.

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thanks thats pretty much what i wanted to know. i completely understand that in India and Nepal and other countries around the Himalayas that they have been smoking and growing forever and im just starting to learn . i like the plant and like growing it and i especially like smoking it

i wouldn't say i have bad luck i just see potential...i ve been growing from the same bag for 2 years now

this is a long read but its worth itThe Bagseed Theory

Compressed, full of seeds, weak smell and harsh smoke... sounds like brickweed out of Mexico I'm sure it started off as some killer stuff until they bail it and compress it and smuggle it and store it in laundry detergent or whatever they do to get it around. brickweed potency is increasing they(the cartels) may have introduced new genetics to increase potency. I'm wondering when it comes to "commercial" pot, what's the most common strain?Usually you're smoking poorly-handled compressed pre-kiefed weed, usually from a high yielder like BC Big Bud or Critical Mass. It would be great smoke if it wasn't so compressed and hadn't had 90% of the trichs knocked off to make hash. with brickweed its not so much the strain that sucks but the methods of drying curing and compressing to get it over the border
aaaannnnyways. bagseed is very underated, fuck ive gotten a seed or two in some of the best weed ive ever smoked which happened to be some kush.
Bagseeds are just as good as any other seeds, only problem is you dotn know the strain so you have no idea how long its going to flower, how much its gonna stretch, what kinda nutes its gonna like, etc.

Brickweed is weed that comes from Mexico or some other place like that.contrary to popular belief, shitty weed but only because it was grown wrong. mexican brickweed can be very dank if grown right. infact, most of the popular strains of today have mexican genetics in them.
It's dehydrated and stored in kilo bricks for travel, and when the dealer hits you up he just breaks a chunk off and weighs it out. It is usually only 5-10% THC.
Usually refers to female marijuana plants that have been cultivated outdoors in commercial quantities using basic agricultural techniques. This method of production results in low THC content and the presence of numerous seeds due to pollination by any male plants that are present.
Often originates from, and uses varieties of marijuana (Indigenous Land Races, or ILRs) indigenous to, Mexico, Jamaica, Thailand or South Africa, for reasons relating to location, climate and cultural attitudes to marijuana use and production.
Popularity and use vary geographically: in countries of origin, this kind of weed, sometimes loose and unpressed, is the staple marijuana product. In the affluent markets of North America and Europe, more powerful, higher quality, locally grown sensimilla (lit. 'seedless') and hashish are favoured. In hashish producing countries (Morocco, Afganistan, Nepal, India) hashish is the staple form of marijuana.
Well-known varieties of brick weed include:

Thai Sticks - Thai, often wrapped round a stick and soaked is cannabis oil for added potency)
Acacpulco Gold - from the Acapulco region of Mexico. Very popular in the US in the 60s and 70s, subject of the cult documentary 'Acapulco Gold' (1973).
Durban Poison - South African
Swazi - from Swaziland, South Africa
Jamaican

Breeding
Keep a male alive indefinitely by bending the top severely and putting it in mild shock that delays it is maturity. Or take the tops as they mature and put the branches in water, over a piece of plate glass. Shake the branches every morning to release pollen onto the glass and then scrap it with a razor blade to collect it. A male pruned in this fashion stays alive indefinately and will continue to produce flowers if it gets suitable dark periods. This is much better than putting pollen in the freezer! Fresh pollen is always best.
When breeding marijuana save pollen in an air tight bag in the freezer. It will be good for about a month. It may be several more weeks before the females are ready to pollinate. Put a paper towel in the bag with it to act as a desecant.
A plant is ready to pollinate 2 weeks after the clusters of female flowers first appear. If you pollinate too early, it may not work. Wait until the female flowers are well established, but still all while hairs are showing.
Turn off all fans. Use a paper bag to pollinate a branch of a female plant. Use different pollen from two males on separate branches. Wrap the bag around the branch and seal it at the opening to the branch. Shake the branch vigorously. Wet the paper bag after a few minutes with a sprayer and then carefully remove it. Large plastic zip-lock bags also. Slip the bag over the male branch and shake the pollen loose. Carefully remove the bad and zip it up. It should be very dusty with pollen. To pollinate, place it over a single branch of the female, zipping it up sideways around the stem so no pollen leaks out. Shake the bag and the stem at the same time. Allow to settle for an hour or two and shake it again. Remove it a few hours later. Your branch is now well pollinated and should show signs of visible seed production in 2 weeks, with ripe seeds splitting the calyxes by 3-6 weeks. One pollinated branch can create hundreds of seeds, so it should not be necessary to pollinate more than one or two branches in many cases.
When crossing two different varieties, a third variety of plant will be created. If you know what characteristics your looking for in a new strain, you will need several plants to choose from in order to have the best chance of finding all the qualities desired. Sometimes, if the two plants bred had dominant genes for certain characteristics, it will be impossible to get the plant you want from one single cross. In this case, it is necessary to interbreed two plants from the same batch of resultant seeds from the initial cross. In this fashion, recesive genes will become available, and the plant character you desire may only be possible in this manner.
Usually breeding marijuana, it is desirable only to cross two strains that are very different. In this manner, one usually arrives at what is refered to as "hybrid vigor". In other words, often the best strains are created by taking two very different strains and mating them. Less robust plants may be the result of interbreeding, since it opens up recesive gene traits that may lead to reduced potency.
Male choice
I generally employ a simple process of elimination while selecting males. First, any auto-flowering or very early-declared males are eliminated. (Auto-flowering means that male flowers form regardless of light cycle timing.) This is mainly to insure against hermaphroditism or unwanted flowering traits, but also as a means to insure quality. The very early declared males have a tendency to be less desirable in terms of their contributions to the quality of the finished product. (If you are trying to specifically create an early-flowering strain, then your priorities may be different.)
Next, any male plant that grows too tall or too fast is usually eliminated. The reason for this is that most plants which dedicate so much energy to fiber production generally are best for making fiber. The exception to this rule is when an over-productive plant also exhibits a number of the desirable characteristics mentioned later.
The next criteria for elimination is borrowed from Michael Starks' book, marijuana Potency, and involves stem structure. Large, hollow main stems are sought while pith-filled stems are eliminated. Backed by years of observation, I agree that hollow stems do seem to facilitate THC production.
Another consideration is the type of floral clusters that develop. Even on males, clusters which are tight, compact and yet very productive are desired over an airy, loose structure. These observations are most notable in the indoor environment. Outdoors, the differences in stem and floral structures are more difficult to discern The next and perhaps most important characteristic to examine is that of odor, flavor and trichome development. Again, the females will prove themselves by their finished product, but the males are a bit trickier.A few of the "good" aromas which I have found to be associated with both male and female high quality cannabis are: sweet, floral, fruity, berry, wine/brandy, other savory spirits, skunky and spearmint. Some of the "bad" aromas associated with both male and female cannabis are: grassy, chlorophyll (green), celery, parsley, carrots, cinnamon, pepper-mint or wintergreen, gear-oil and gasoline. Some of the aromas that are considered "good" from females but not necessarily from males are: woody, cedar, pine, citrus, tropical fruit, chocolate, vanilla, coffee, garlic and astringent. Large, hollow main stems are sought while pith-filled stems are eliminated. Backed by years of observation

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