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Old 10-05-2009, 09:40 PM
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the point is anyone with space time proper genetics and education can do the same as any other established breeder.
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the point is anyone with space time proper genetics and education can do the same as any other established breeder.
not true. if you've already got proper genetics you're really just trying to reinvent the wheel.
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if that were true then new strains would never appear just like with say dog breeding or anything else there is no limit to variables with outbreeding/inbreeding. many of the favorite strains here in socal are not much more than a few years old. the bubbas chems and ogs started appearing ten to 12 years or so ago.
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Thanks for the response purrrrple. Very helpful. I would like to do breeding myself some day, truly breeding, and establish a pure line strain. I take that can only be done from land races. If I found traits I liked in a random plant from an online order and did my best to stabilize it, it would still be considered an IBL at the end of the day, correct? At any rate that is a long way off.

Any thoughts on Barney's Farm?
Well to be honest under the technical definition, yes, it would still be an IBL, regardless of how many times you backcrossed it to try and stablize. Theoretically, you could over many generations isolate only the traits you wanted and re-create a strain. Sort of i guess. Anyway, this is why i am such a big fan of Subcool/TGA. The guy is a young guy with a great understanding of plants and breeding, and he reworks many clone only plants, coming very close to the originals, and allowing the masses a chance to obtain seeds of a nearly extinct plant. Barneys is a very reputable bank. I have seen some of the most amazing shit ever come from Barneys genetics so, yes, i think you should be alright ordering from them.
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if that were true then new strains would never appear just like with say dog breeding or anything else there is no limit to variables with outbreeding/inbreeding. many of the favorite strains here in socal are not much more than a few years old. the bubbas chems and ogs started appearing ten to 12 years or so ago.
Name changes do not a new strain make.
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there not name changes there are strains available today that were not around in the early 90s plain and simple. some strains get renamed to sell but if you know your cannabis this tactic does not work.
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I guess the ability to create a new strain from an existing one would be in direct proportion of variation in the existing strain. In other words, if the Blue Cheese is stable than I should be able to pop seeds all day and cross breed any combination and still end up with the same strain I started with. If I wanted a new strain from the Blue Cheese, I would have to introduce some new genetic material, correct? I could back cross and get really close to the original Blue Cheese but it would not be the original strain. In fact, the new genetic material would give me enough variation that if I spent many, many generations stabilizing some aspect I liked and really had it stabilized, I would have a new strain.

On the other hand, if I bought seeds from a breeder and the strain and several known phenome types (like I have heard AK-47 come in both an Indica and Sativa phenome) then that strain wouldn't be very stable. In fact, you could call it a land race because of the variation. I could work with that and narrow it and make it stable.

I guess another way to look at it is a narrowing conversion from wild to land race to pure line to elite. In human terms, it might be something like Humans to Europeans to Austrians to Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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there will always be evolution and changes in cannabis strains as long as humans are involved mixing and matching different strains/hybrids and using selective breeding this is the same for vegetables and fruits new enhanced versions are always being made.
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there will always be evolution and changes in cannabis strains as long as humans are involved mixing and matching different strains/hybrids and using selective breeding this is the same for vegetables and fruits new enhanced versions are always being made.
...from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.
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Like Cheese is a clone-only strain, or perhaps it's just a Skunk #1 pheno. Every plant I've ever grown has looked as good as any elite. You can move traits around, but it's nothing new.
 

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