That's what it is CG. You asked, I told you.

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_...DIST_NR=058044

UB

__________________
PLANT MOISTURE STRESS aka leaf edge/tip curling - symptoms and solutions
Note- Due to some technicality, I can not reply to "New visitor messages"

Ok, well thanks again. My crop will come off in 12 days and I will start introducing a strong bio feed program than. I maybe came across wrong, but I cut back on my plant stacks (frets) and now use NPK Carbload and Vitamax. I use a bloom booster in 3-4 week (once). I usually get a lock-up if I use that product. So, inturn, I would not use the product and should use overdrive around week 5-instead of the bloom booster 0-50-33.
When you use your alaska 5-1-1 fish mix, is that gonna be fine with those ratio's of (N) to be applied in my feed program? And will the salts of my feed program kill the organic's?

So if I understand you correctly, correct me if I am wrong. You are suggesting that this is one example of a scam that is being peddled to pot growers as yet another magic sauce? Are you suggesting they are all scams?

I have been doing research on these things and by and large most are scams. I agree 100%. This is why when I shop for bio-inoculants I use the following guideline:
It is necessary to avoid all products sold at the hydro shop or hydro publications that seem to target marijuana growers. To get a good product you need to find someone who specializes in micro organisms not pot growing supplies. The best you will do through pot growing suppliers is get a marked up and or diluted version of the other real stuff, or bogus stuff. I get my spores from fungi.com, the owner of this company has written a lot of books and done a lot of research in the field. Most of what this place sells is mushroom cultivation products, these guys know there fungi, and the product works.

I am not 100% sure how it will work with your stuff. I can guarantee you it does not always work. When you find an ideal mix stick with it. Do some experiments on 1 plant keep the other with something that is known to work. If your bio-feed goes bad and you feed the pathogens more than the good ones. You are in deep stinky shit, no way to solve this one, too many organics to fix it with H2O2. It may take a few tries.

As to the 5-1-1 messing up your n-p-k ratio. It may or it may not. When P and K salt levels are low, as they are in my outdoor vegetable garden, the high N in the fish fert feeds the bacteria which in turn make more P and K available to the plant. So while I do not add much P and K the P and K absorbed by my plants is quite high. In your case you are using a high P and K soluble nute, so your plants do not need the fungi to get P and K, the levels are already sky high.

In my indoor marijuana garden I use the fungi for only 1 thing "Pathogen Control"!!!! My plants are already given a 600ppm strength salt nute, so they do not need any more nutes, thy grow at 100% with no bacteria or fungi. It saves me a lot of money over H2O2. Also the H2O2 is kind of nasty to work with, burns my skin, stains cloths, fire accelerant... With H2O2 for pathogen control if I ran out of H2O2 I had only a few days to get more. Also the smell is nice. I would get grey mold on the debris on the floor and I would get black mold on the walls, had to clean that with bleach. After about 9 months of no H2O2 except for clones and seedlings and beneficial microbes the grow room is much less moldy and nasty. Also if I run short on cash I can grow the fungi and use less.

What is your goal? These goals are achievable:
1) save money on nutes
2) pathogen control and grow environment conditioning

This goal is not achievable:
1) faster plant growth in the presence of strong non organic nutes

Most people want the last unachievable goal and are disappointed

Consan is not a scam. It is a bonafide fungicide, bacteriacide, viricide and sanitizer.

I don't know about you, but I don't own an electron microscope and do not have a lab to scientifically evaluate ANY product's merit when it comes to fungi this and that, and to take a vendor's ad for face value is stupidity in its finest. They are motivated to make money, period, and accordingly will tell you whatever they think you want to hear. I will give alot of these products a fair shake and do so on a commercial basis.

It's still a feel good thing for me as I rarely run a control group.

Regarding organic purists, they represent a cult to me, just a feel-good group that values idealogy over facts. They have no way of confirming the claims. This stuff isn't tested and regulated by a non-partisan group of professionals ya know.

UB

__________________
PLANT MOISTURE STRESS aka leaf edge/tip curling - symptoms and solutions
Note- Due to some technicality, I can not reply to "New visitor messages"

oops, I really though maybe you were joking around. Its just such a funny name. Do you use this instead of H2O2?


Yes your right, its feel-good psudo-science. As I have not done a true control group and do not own proper testing equipment.
The only hard science to me is the academic research that does use a control group. The kind of comparisons I make like "my vegetable garden is much healthier than my neighbors" is totally devoid of real science. Maybe my garden is healthier for other reasons.
I was suggesting doing a real experiment with a control group earlier in this thread. Hopefully some people will join me and we can do a little real science.
I am not part of the organic cult you speak of. I do know of its existence. Its a pain to talk to those folks some times.
I think we all do this trying different products and have some that work and we stick with those. For me the bio-inoculation method works, and saves money over the H2O2 sterilization method that also worked.

Thanks, I will be sure to go purchase this today!

__________________
My First Outdoor Grow '09

Ok, well thanks again for your time guys...

Right now I'm only using it for sanitizing shears. I have no use for H2O2.

Sounds good but being the cynic I am, it'll never happen and you have no way of exercising any personal observation.

Most of them are space cadets.

Cool. Whatever floats your boat.

Sail on,
UB

__________________
PLANT MOISTURE STRESS aka leaf edge/tip curling - symptoms and solutions
Note- Due to some technicality, I can not reply to "New visitor messages"