Grower's group? Research Group?

Originally Posted by born2killspam

The sex is determined at polination, but sex expression is not.. China is correct, I have read more than a few general botany abstracts that support the notion that acetylsalicylic acid disrupts ethylene pathways in a similar fashion to GA or ionic silver solutions, and that is understood to be the mechanism behind inducing typically diocious plants to go monocious.. Different genetics will have different resilience to sex adaptation both early, and late season.. Its commonly believed that great environmental conditions early in veg can tilt the balance toward XX expression, while less desirable conditions later in life can tilt those expressing XX to grow staminate flowers.. It actually makes sense from a propogation of species POV.. Ignoring the fact that this might sound like plants have intelligence, an XX expressing plant that is stressed can fear that available breeding partners will not be able to polinate it, therefore it does what it can to produce its own pollen since male flower growth does not require a ton of effort to achieve.. Similarily, positive conditions early tell XY polinated seedlings that its likely they will be able to take on the bigger job of seed production themselves..
I would personally avoid inducing XX expression via these means though, because those particular genetics are not tightly bound to it, and my hypothesis is that these will be more likely to also grow male flowers.. Merely an opposite form of herming..
Lastly, although it might generally work out for simple classification, the XX/XY system is BS in plants.. Its not even really 100% effective for animals either (a Y chromosome is merely an X chromosome with a minor mutation apparently caused by testosterone iirc), but we tend to diverge from it much less than plants..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabi..._determination

Hey born2killspam and china, i have to agree with you both... Good ideas I will outline my thoughts a bit more...
So if sex is predetermined and lets say it is for this experiment, and we know that the male plant grows and matures faster.
Then it following that train of thought, i come to the idea the the female plant, due to survival stress, will grow first...
(more than likely will show nothing cant know that till you try)

Now this is a experiment to prove one way or the other, i can argue both sides of this, so time for experiment

The 24/7, 18/6, debate is also one the as a group we could find definitive answers too.. may show, SOG should veg clones in 24/7, and lst growers should veg in 18/7.. Who knows
Together we will!!

Originally Posted by CaveChest

Dude totally agree.

I had a massive argument with someone cause i said something like "i heard aspirin changes the sex of your plant and also femenizes pollen"
A whole bunch of people said "dude thats bullshit" but not one of them could tell me why.
So i tried it and it went hermi, as for the female seeds thats what this grow is all about to see if i was right.
So dude set up some conditions for me to follow and i'll try it out with a couple of seeds.

Peace J

Hey CaveChest, Thanks for the comments.. Conditions for this one are easy... Normal germ method, paper towels, plate on top of another..
All you have to do is.....
1. number seeds
2. record time from placing in water to cracking... This is the only hard part we are looking for when the seed first cracks, before the root tip has come out.
3. Keep growing them till they sex or sex them yourself when you feel like it.
4. keep growing till you have buds.
5. Smoke your buds
6.post your research.

Originally Posted by China

Asprin does work. It doesn't change the sex of the plant, it just causes female plants to hermie.

Why do I always see people ranting about Cervantes? He talks about the simple things and is a good guide for beginning growers.


Here's an idea for an experiment. Since I have two plants coming up, I can do some things that require multiple plants to grow. My idea, what are the benefits of a 8/16 light cycle over a 24/0 cycle, and vice versa.

I just got access to a bit more grow room, so I can make two small veg chambers pretty soon. Once the seeds sprout I can measure their height each day and compare things like node spacing and density.

I can also use clones later on to do the test without having to worry about plant genetics effecting the results.

Right i have been thinking about a study involving the benefits of 24/7 vs 18/6 for grow styles... I also run more than one clone/veg chamber believe in redundancy

This one will have to be a little more involved, would also like to include clones as well as seeds in this
The outline.
1. germ seeds normal way
2. split seeds into two random groups
3. veg one group under 24/7 light from sprout
4. veg one group under 18/6 light from sprout

The hard part of this one will be recording stats and the period of recording..

Stats to look for...
1. Height of plant
2. Number of nodes
3. Veg mass... this is the real hard one!! even i wont kill a plant for anything but smoke so this one has two parts
3.1 Length of leaf, from tip of leaf to leaf stem node ie where the green starts
3.2 width of leaf at widest point (would like to do a average but too hard)
4. space between nodes

This will also have genius specific 4. wont really mean much unless we know the type of plant indica/sativa

The same process can be followed for clones, will just have to makes sure clones are say within 10% size of each other, with the same amount of nodes and each group is from the same mother.

Hope that all makes sence Any input is welcome!!

Alot of these light questions have been legitimately studied via other C3 plants.. PM me with an email that can accept a 1.2MB pdf if you want to read an indepth bio-chem write-up on the evolution of chemical reactions involved in photosynthesis..

Both of my seeds have sprouted and they are in separate closets. One with a 24 hour lighting, and another with 16/8. I'll be taking measurements every other day for four weeks. I'll post some results once I get enough data to be worth posting. This strain was slow to start last time I grew it, but it really took off once it got going, so it may be a week or so before there's any noticeable difference.

Ok....

I'm not sure if i'm retarded or i've got crap seeds but its been close to 4 days and they havnt moved an inch....
I have 2 plates, one over the top of the other and 4 seeds in the middle of them wrapped in tea towels wet with tap water.
Its pretty cold over here but i still think they should have germinated by now.

PEace
J

Originally Posted by CaveChest

Ok....

I'm not sure if i'm retarded or i've got crap seeds but its been close to 4 days and they havnt moved an inch....
I have 2 plates, one over the top of the other and 4 seeds in the middle of them wrapped in tea towels wet with tap water.
Its pretty cold over here but i still think they should have germinated by now.

PEace
J

Bagseeds can take a while, or just not want to work at all. Because they weren't grown for the seeds, they're not as viable. I only got 2 out of 8 seeds to germinate for my test.

Hey CaveChest, sorry to here about your seeds.... How Hot is the room temp? Should be shooting for about 25c-29c i think thats about 79f... your have to look that one up to make sure But then again i havent grown from seed for about 10 years so.... Good luck though!!!! dont give up on them just yet!!