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Old 04-24-2009, 09:22 PM
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Im not sure because i have not tried it yet but i am guessing it has to do something with the little amount of time it takes from veg to harvest. It seems like having a bunch of little plants would be a lot more work then a few monsters.
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Im not sure because i have not tried it yet but i am guessing it has to do something with the little amount of time it takes from veg to harvest. It seems like having a bunch of little plants would be a lot more work then a few monsters.

It is alot more work but the benitfit is that most sog ops are perpetual. To me that is the whole point of having a sog set up.
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just an example, in a perfect kinda way/world

room size
12 x 12
4 - 4' x 4' trays each with a 600 watt light
total watts = 2400
total plants 128 plus 32 clones rooting

sog prepetual
32 lolly-pop sticks averaging 1z a piece every 2 weeks = 2lbs every 2 weeks or 8lbs in an 8 week period with the cycle continuing.
this would be 896g with per 600 watt or 1.49g per watt (yeah thats questionable right)

filling the same room with monsters
lets go with 4 plants per light or 1 plant per 4sq foot
and lets say that you have to veg them for 4 weeks and flower for 8 weeks to get 1lb per plant
that would be a total of 16 plants with the same 2400 watts of light (600 x 4)
this would turn out 4lbs from each light every 12 weeks so about 4lbs every 3 weeks on prepetual.
again this is questionalbe but, this would equal 2.99g per watt.

Now both of these ideas are possible but I dont think that 4 monster plants would produce 1lb each under a 600 watt light, mainly because I have never seen anyone claim more than 2g per watt. I am not saying it isn't possible but I would venture to guess that the sog system would be a little closer to realistic.

Oh yeah you also have to consider the number of plants that you have to deal with in a prepetual sog vs the amount of plants grown in a monster plant prepetual.
sog minimum for this example would be 128 rooted plants and 32 clones with possible roots
monster plant example, 16 rooted plants with 4 - 8 clones (if using mothers), or 4+ seedlings

Hope that helps for figuring out which way to go.

and no i dont run either system the way it is proposed in the example.

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im running 48 clones under a 600w, perpetual 4 groups of twelve. they are flowered right from rooting and im just harvesting my first ones. it looks like im gettin about 6 grams per, flowering for about 9-10 weeks.
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im running 48 clones under a 600w, perpetual 4 groups of twelve. they are flowered right from rooting and im just harvesting my first ones. it looks like im gettin about 6 grams per, flowering for about 9-10 weeks.
is that 6 grams per plant. 72 grams? how often? what kind of plant? thanks for the info.
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just an example, in a perfect kinda way/world

room size
12 x 12
4 - 4' x 4' trays each with a 600 watt light
total watts = 2400
total plants 128 plus 32 clones rooting

sog prepetual
32 lolly-pop sticks averaging 1z a piece every 2 weeks = 2lbs every 2 weeks or 8lbs in an 8 week period with the cycle continuing.
this would be 896g with per 600 watt or 1.49g per watt (yeah thats questionable right)

filling the same room with monsters
lets go with 4 plants per light or 1 plant per 4sq foot
and lets say that you have to veg them for 4 weeks and flower for 8 weeks to get 1lb per plant
that would be a total of 16 plants with the same 2400 watts of light (600 x 4)
this would turn out 4lbs from each light every 12 weeks so about 4lbs every 3 weeks on prepetual.
again this is questionalbe but, this would equal 2.99g per watt.

Now both of these ideas are possible but I dont think that 4 monster plants would produce 1lb each under a 600 watt light, mainly because I have never seen anyone claim more than 2g per watt. I am not saying it isn't possible but I would venture to guess that the sog system would be a little closer to realistic.

Oh yeah you also have to consider the number of plants that you have to deal with in a prepetual sog vs the amount of plants grown in a monster plant prepetual.
sog minimum for this example would be 128 rooted plants and 32 clones with possible roots
monster plant example, 16 rooted plants with 4 - 8 clones (if using mothers), or 4+ seedlings

Hope that helps for figuring out which way to go.

and no i dont run either system the way it is proposed in the example.

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filling the same room with monsters
lets go with 4 plants per light or 1 plant per 4sq foot
and lets say that you have to veg them for 4 weeks and flower for 8 weeks to get 1lb per plant
that would be a total of 16 plants with the same 2400 watts of light (600 x 4)
this would turn out 4lbs from each light every 12 weeks so about 4lbs every 3 weeks on prepetual.
again this is questionalbe but, this would equal 2.99g per watt.


you could maybe achieve that given the room you'd given the plants, but not with that veg time, you'd have to veg for a lot longer
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is that 6 grams per plant. 72 grams? how often? what kind of plant? thanks for the info.

yep. 6 g per plant, the first harvest is only gonna be a total of like 8 clones, after, then about 15 clones in each group. and the harvests are gonna be about every 2 weeks. the clones are from bagseed. i also have a WW under the 600w with them

and yeah ur gonna need quite a few months of veg to aim for an elboe per indoors

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You can't even concern yourself with individual plant yields with SOG.. Its about grams/sqft.. How many plants/sqft is optimal for a certain setup/technique is one of the tougher things to nail in the beginning when working with unfamiliar genetics.. Vegging to 5-6 inches though you won't be fitting 4/sqft thats for sure..
I used to grow very similarily.. Vegging NL5 to that height after topping, with slightly more than 12x12"/plant and just over 50W HID/sqft, I was getting just over 60g/sqft..
In your space that would be close to 2kg crops.. Its alot more work than you might think though if you're new to larger scale growing.. Especially if there are any glitches in your design that need to be worked out
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yeah, it is kind of a lot of work takin care of fuckin 50 plants, especially when theyre all on different stages of growth and need different things. on the next go around i think i'll grow slightly larger plants. maybe veg till a solid 6" and maybe even letting them branch out. my clones are all lollipopped and in i think 36 oz paper cups. itd be nicer to aim for like a half ounce per plant and put just slightly fewer plants.

what do u recomend for optimum bud under a single 600?
 

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