Thanks guys for the aquarium info. Very helpful.

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no problem any time.

I think the bacteria present in an aquarium are vastly different than those normally present in a typical rhizosphere. You also probably won't find any mycorrhizae (beneficial fungi) which (in my opinion) are the most beneficial symbiotic plant micro-organism currently known to man. Just from what I've seen with my aero setup, I've been able to double to triple the PPM nutrient levels that I normally run with just hydrogen peroxide + nutes without any signs of nutrient burn. Make sure than the reservoir is highly aerated, the beneficial bacteria are aerobic (while the disease causing bacteria are anaerobic) . I highly recommend purchasing Humboldts "Myco Madness", Gen Hydro's "Subculture", or Advanced Nutrients "Voodoo Juice". Give any one of these products a try, and you will never go back. Voodoo Juice, literally brought my plants back from the dead, and now they are taking in more nutes than I am even comfortable giving them. The fungus has totally taken over the roots of my plants. It is unlike anything I've seen before. For those of you who wish to learn more about beneficial plant micro-organisms, I recommend this book:

Plant associated bacteria (by Samuel S Gnanamanickam). Here is the google link so you can preview the book online:

http://books.google.com/books?id=gkG...esult&resnum=4


80-90% of all plants that are grown outdoors have root system that are assisted by beneficial/symbiotic micro organisms. When you go indoors, and grow plants in a hydro system, these helpful micro-organisms are entirely absent and so are their benefits.

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I have not done the scrog method yet, but from what I have read and seen the squares in your trellis look to big. Have you done scrog like that before? Do you prefer using larger squares rather than 2inx2in squares?

Thanks

The larger your holes the easier it is.. I've done scrog, and had a hell of a battle with it.. Now I like one big hole the size of the table perimeter..

That is funny.

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But the hours and hours of weaving and unweaving, trying not to damage growing shoots/buds was not funny..

I understand, you don't have to put your hand on a hot stove to speculate you might get hurt. About 10 years ago when SCROG became trendy, I told The Herd at the only pot newsgroup available, ADPC, "no way, mama didn't raise no fool", and of course I got flamed for not going along.

There's always caveats in this biz.

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But I REALLY gotta hand it to a few ppl who do remarkable shit with a screen.. Kalikitsune posted pics of a screen that he vegged into for well over 6 months iirc, and wow.. That was a damn nice canopy for two plants!

well I spent the day with fungi.

Now I am reading about the soil food web. It is a well written about subject. Google it!

As I posted earlier that as mj is an annual it almost 100 percent can be said to be a bacteria lover as opposed to a fungi lover. However...

I am finding that the ratio is about a .8 fungi to a 1.0 bacteria ratio to even higher, as in a 1-1 ratio. Fungi will always have its place in the soil food web for the annuals too.

I read that someone saw a great slimy web over their roots dominating the rhizosphere is their hydro. This got me thinking. That sounds like an ecto-myco as in on the outside. Mostly trees and large shrubds prefer this, anything really with a long life. Endo is what the reading typically suggests for herbs and vegtables, which mean inside the roots themselves the fungi will populate. We grow these plants fairly long for annuals. Plants decided what bacteria and fungi they want by sending off "exudates" or chemical beckoning food treats. They amazingly compute all this for themselves and that is not fully understood. Pretty cool, they can feed the goodies like pets. Sos it also logical that a plant might want both to sustain itself, an mj plant.

Whatever the case I think the best bet is too just feed the plant both and let it choose. Also the same with bacteria that most fast plants attract. But we got to feed the plant these creatures first, also if they do die off. I bet foxfarms does already, but shit happens.


I now think that humbolts myco would be cool, but nevertheless I started to make my own.

It is actually quite common and simple. I got some compost. I then read to get some oatmeal or soymeal and mix it at a ratio of one teapsoon oats to a cup of compost. Add enough water that when yu squeeze the mass a drop of water would come out. Then put it in the dark with a seedling heat mat. In a few days a web of sorts will form of fungi. This can be added to a tea in the moments before yu use it, as fungi are delicate or topdressed and watered in. I used soy protien shake as I had no oats. lol.

Anyway I cant wait to try to add this in. Also I had some herb and tomato organic food laying around and decided to throw a tbsp of that in. According to that it contained fungi and bacteria beneficials.

Also I came across a lot of info that any P over 10 will actually kill of fungi! I use about a 1-8-7 or a 3-13-9 with an indo bat guano topdressing. I might back off if I see the fungi take root or read more, as in worm castings and omost tea have gotten them in, but I doubt it. They got to be nurtured. With this increased bacteria and fungi in the rhizosphere, a pretty cool word, oone should have to feed less str anyway as the beasties make up for it with increased uptake. Also I read that a good fungi will lower the ph as a good bacteria will raise it. I dont know aobut yu but I need some natural ph down.

Myco fungi is awesome as they can increase the root mass by a million and help the plant in about a billion ways. The before and after pictures are amazing. As always if yu are brewing yer teas try removing your airstones and using some real air. "Real" as in if worked properly yu can esatblish a frothy bacteria colony in 12 hours. No airstones as in the small bublles will kill yer fungi in a flash. Ass the fungi in after brewing the bacteria. Then feed. If one shoudl add in the fungi an hour or 5 minutes before pouring I have yet to read or experminet.

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