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Old 05-12-2009, 10:35 PM
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Naysayers be damned!

Voodoo Juice works perfectly.

Check out my Aero grow journal, I have pictures of the Fungi colony on the roots (look at post #7):

2nd Grow, 3rd attempt. Aeroponic, T5 / HPS, DP Blue Berry and others...

First off I want to say that I was having horrible luck with my Aero systems. Water temperatures kept climbing to around 23-25 degrees C, and as a result some kind of a brown algae or bacteria developed, and covered the roots in sludge (causing root rot). I killed a lot of expensive feminized seedlings this way!!!! I have plenty of 35% hydrogen peroxide, and I know how to use it. For some reason this weird brown algae WOULD NOT DIE even after adding h202 to the reservoir. Things began to look hopeless...then a good friend of mine who has been growing in Aero for many years (who strictly uses only Advanced Nutrients products) recommended Voodoo Juice for my dying seedlings. I reluctantly took what was left of his empty bottle (there was only maybe 50 mL left total). I was reluctant to try ANYTHING by advanced nutrients, because like everyone else, I assumed that they were overhyped, overpriced, etc. I actually still to this day do NOT like 99% of Advanced Nutrient Products, there are a few that are OK but you can find alternative products made by other companys that do the same exact thing for 10 times less. ANYWAYS:

The latest seedlings were Blueberry (dutch passion), Mazar, and Alaskan Ice). I've killed quite a few of the Dutch Passion feminized Blueberries before this particular crop. The sprouts sat stillborn for many days without ANY type of growth or leaf development. The water began to turn brown with sludge (AGAIN). In total desperation, I drained the reservoir, sterilized it, refilled with my 30 ppm well water (I usually use distilled water, but I thought these guys were goners, so I said screw it) and added in the gen hydro nutes + some of the Voodoo Juice. To be honest I didn't really didn't expect them to survive. These poor babies looked exactly the same as the other 30-40 sprouts that I murdered in previous attempts. I waited a few days, and noticed that even though the water temperature was at 24 degrees C there was NO brown sludge! The directions on the bottle stated that you could not use any hydrogen peroxide with Voodoo Juice, or all of the beneficial micro-organisms would of course, die, so naturally I expected there to be out of control brown sludgey reservoir as a result. However, the tank was SPOTLESS and the plants also showed signs of SERIOUS growth. I popped off my neoprene grow mediums (thats right I grow in rubber, hah) and had a look underneath at the roots. I couldn't believe my fucking eyes. Covering the unhealthy looking brown taproots were these strange looking side "fungi roots". They almost could be mistaken for regular roots but they were bright white, and some of them looked transparent as well (like a jelly). The plants seemed to be taking in the nutrients very well, as I increased the PPM to 400ppm and they still did not burn! I never thought this stuff would work...but it definitely does. This shit SAVED MY PLANTS. They are doing well now, its hard to tell whats fungi and what is actually root matter. I have done some research and it appears that humbolt makes a product called Myco madness, which supposedly has more strains of fungi and bacteria than the Advanced Nutrient Voodoo Juice does, and of course its less than half the price. To all the naysayers: take a look at my root pictures, its fucking weird (look at POST #7 in my grow journal)!

Needless to say, I will NOT be growing without beneficial fungi and bacteria EVER AGAIN. Despite the fact that my 15 gallon reservoir remains at 24 degrees Celsius, WITHOUT HYDROGEN PEROXIDE, there is no visible signs of algae or any kind of bacterial slime. This stuff apparently kills off the other existing pathogens in the water (it cleans the water for you!). I can't wait to see what this stuff does to my ladies when its time to flower. I have the feeling that I will be able to go to a MUCH higher nutrient concentration than ever before (since the roots are now being assisted with nutrient uptake). I also have the feeling that my yield will be higher than ever before. JOY!
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Old 05-13-2009, 01:04 AM
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I use the stuff from fungi.com. I stopped using to for a while, but now I use it again. I found that with it my medium smells better when I am disposing of it if I used it.

I stopped using it because I was also using some organic molasses fert and my ph would go up a lot each day. I started using H2O2 and chem nutes and the ph problems went away. Now that I have re-introduced them my ph ges up faster. It seems to me that it saves me money to use the beneficial fungi and more ph down rather than using H2O2. Also when I would run out of H2O2 things would get nasty fast, after maintaining steril conditions with H2O2 for a long time things go bad fast with out it. The benificial fungi is something I pretreat the medium with. So there is no running out crisis, also the H2O2 stains clothing, burns skin, and is a fire accelerant. So its sort of dangerious stuff. Using the beneficial fungi just makes my grow environment more plesent. I dont actually think my plants grow much faster or bigger begause of the benificial fungi, they are supposed to improve root zone efficenticy and since my root zone is super efficent due to coco coir and hydroponics that does not help me.

Basically it comes down to this: Your garden will produce dead plant matter. Something must happen to it. If you do nothig the fungi and bacteria already in the area will eat it. So you can sterilize, whch is ez and works great, or you can start your own little battle of the microbes and see who wins, if you add plenty of good microbes you have a good chance that the good microbes will win.
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I use the stuff from fungi.com. I stopped using to for a while, but now I use it again. I found that with it my medium smells better when I am disposing of it if I used it.

I stopped using it because I was also using some organic molasses fert and my ph would go up a lot each day. I started using H2O2 and chem nutes and the ph problems went away. Now that I have re-introduced them my ph ges up faster. It seems to me that it saves me money to use the beneficial fungi and more ph down rather than using H2O2. Also when I would run out of H2O2 things would get nasty fast, after maintaining steril conditions with H2O2 for a long time things go bad fast with out it. The benificial fungi is something I pretreat the medium with. So there is no running out crisis, also the H2O2 stains clothing, burns skin, and is a fire accelerant. So its sort of dangerious stuff. Using the beneficial fungi just makes my grow environment more plesent. I dont actually think my plants grow much faster or bigger begause of the benificial fungi, they are supposed to improve root zone efficenticy and since my root zone is super efficent due to coco coir and hydroponics that does not help me.

Basically it comes down to this: Your garden will produce dead plant matter. Something must happen to it. If you do nothig the fungi and bacteria already in the area will eat it. So you can sterilize, whch is ez and works great, or you can start your own little battle of the microbes and see who wins, if you add plenty of good microbes you have a good chance that the good microbes will win.
aquarium water normally has a huge population of various waste consuming bacteria both aerobic and anaerobic species i add this in conjunction with tarantula and piranha with good results. bad bacterial species have trouble getting a foothold
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aquarium water normally has a huge population of various waste consuming bacteria both aerobic and anaerobic species i add this in conjunction with tarantula and piranha with good results. bad bacterial species have trouble getting a foothold
I have been wondering about using aquarium water. Thanks for sharing the info.
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just make sure the ph is proper most crowded aquaria have a ph appropriate for cannabis in soil or hydro otherwise manipulate as needed.
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just make sure the ph is proper most crowded aquaria have a ph appropriate for cannabis in soil or hydro otherwise manipulate as needed.
Are there any things to look out for, have you had any burns, over loading of ppm. I don't change the water out as often as I ought to on the aquarium, I am afraid of upping my ppm and loading the rez with (N)itrogen and (P)hosphorous.

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If fish can live in it then plants can't be hurt by any nutrient compounds it might contain.. (Salt water tanks being an exception)..
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If fish can live in it then plants can't be hurt by any nutrient compounds it might contain.. (Salt water tanks being an exception)..
I don't know about that. The fresh water plants I had in the tank have all been replaced with plastic ones. Why, because all but one plant died!
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Doubt its from nutrient ppm type issues.. For a couple crops I played around with goldfish in the res.. I killed 100's of fish, and zero plants..
The person to talk to on the matter would definately be Seamaiden.. She has experience growing fish, dope, corals, the works..
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me too i worked in the aquarium industry for many years on all types from ponds to reef aquaria. most aquatic plants sold need decent light levels to live and some sold are semi-terrestrial so eventually die in water. stick with anubias species amazon swords and other robust easy to care for plants that dont need more than 2 watts a gallon. for watering cannabis i use water from crowded aquaria with 100=+ppm's of nitrates i have never burned anything. i also use bogwood and peat moss in the aquariums i use water from it adds humic acids tannins etc... that keep the ph mildly acidic which cannabis prefers.
 

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