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Default fertilizer...... what to use when....
hi fellow growers need some advice......

im in india and dont get fox farm or any other packed fert with a 2/3 step program..... this is what ive found as of now.....

NPK - 20-20-20 and 19-19-19..... using the 20-20-20 at the moment.....
also 13-0-4.5 which i just found today..... these r used during veg right???

now for flowering ive not been able to find any NPK with a 10-20-10 or somthing like that..... what ive found is somthing called superphospate......

should i just use this superphospate fertilizer with the 20-20-20 during flowering??? is there some other way i can give them P????

also i cant get any molasses but what ive found is
................. Jaggery (also transliterated as jaggeree), gur (North India, Pakistan and Bangladesh) and panela (South America), is a traditional unrefined non-centrifugal sugar consumed in Asia, Africa and South America.
[1] It is made for direct consumption. This type of sugar is a concentrated product of cane juice without separation of the molasses and crystals, and can vary from golden brown to dark brown in color.
[2] It contains up to 50% sucrose, up to 20% invert sugars, moisture content of up to 20%, and the remainder made up of other insoluble matter such as ash, proteins and bagasse fines..... should i try boinling it and giving the solutin to the girls.......
am already abt 55 days into flowering.... the next set r 20 days into flowering.......
lots of pics in my journal....
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NPK - 20-20-20 and 19-19-19..... using the 20-20-20 at the moment.....
also 13-0-4.5 which i just found today..... these r used during veg right???
Those will be fine for veg. You could combine the 20-20-20 and the 13-0-4.5, half and half, for a food to encourage/support foliage production. Make sure that your plant's nutrient needs are being met regarding the 16 essential elements.

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now for flowering ive not been able to find any NPK with a 10-20-10 or somthing like that.....
That's fine. Just focus on the health of the leaves and the root system. Forget about the buds.

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what ive found is somthing called superphospate......
That is very high in P and if memory serves me correct has a little N. You could always mix up a tad in your soil before potting.

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Why do you think you need molasses? You're wasting your time and money as long as you are using a decent potting soil. If you want to try a rocket fuel, use a mycorrhizal product. (I'm going to start a thread on this topic shortly.)

Just curious, do you ever run across any landrace sativas?

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Those will be fine for veg. You could combine the 20-20-20 and the 13-0-4.5, half and half, for a food to encourage/support foliage production. Make sure that your plant's nutrient needs are being met regarding the 16 essential elements.

That's fine. Just focus on the health of the leaves and the root system. Forget about the buds.

That is very high in P and if memory serves me correct has a little N. You could always mix up a tad in your soil before potting.

Why do you think you need molasses? You're wasting your time and money as long as you are using a decent potting soil. If you want to try a rocket fuel, use a mycorrhizal product. (I'm going to start a thread on this topic shortly.)

Just curious, do you ever run across any landrace sativas?

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amazing...... u just answered every question...... thanks a lot..... +rep

should i just mix some superphospate in the soil when i transplant the clones..... or should i start transplanting when i switch to 12/12.....

molasses... i was told that it does wonders to the bud..... what i really want is quality not quantity

some thing that i didnt get.... what r the 16 essential elements??? i know the plants need N,P,K,Ca,Mg,Fe, but what else??

ill b waiting for the mycorrhizal product thread.......

landrace sativas...... do u mean native indian plants???? yes there is wild grow in every part of the country..... from the south tip where the native plant is kerala gold.... to the top in the himalayas where charas is rubbed....

would really appreciate if u could look at my journal...... any advice.....

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amazing...... u just answered every question...... thanks a lot..... +rep
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should i just mix some superphospate in the soil when i transplant the clones..... or should i start transplanting when i switch to 12/12.....
If you feel that your soil along with additions of plant foods will be deficient in P, then I guess you should. If you can't answer that question, then don't take a chance of screwing up your plants. You don't want to create a nutrient antagonism effect where an overage of one element creates a deficiency of another.....all too common in cannabis forums.

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molasses... i was told that it does wonders to the bud..... what i really want is quality not quantity
Who told you that and what was their basis? Anecdotal evidence and vendor product hype doesn't count.

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some thing that i didnt get.... what r the 16 essential elements??? i know the plants need N,P,K,Ca,Mg,Fe, but what else??
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/c...nutri_def.html

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Mycorrhizal fungi applications for cannabis - the caveats


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landrace sativas...... do u mean native indian plants???? yes there is wild grow in every part of the country..... from the south tip where the native plant is kerala gold.... to the top in the himalayas where charas is rubbed....
As in "pure" sativas, like the S. Indian sativa used in the Haze brothers Haze cross.

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As in "pure" sativas, like the S. Indian sativa used in the Haze brothers Haze cross.
the South Indian sativa.... which is the main constituent in our best weed called kerala gold......
if this is what ur talking abt.... then yes it exists an no i havnt seen it grow..... but im asking a frnd abt it now an will let u know what i find......
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What kind of soil are you using?? If you just collected it yourself then describe it, and where you got it from..
The better your soil health to begin with, the less benefit you'll see with molasses.. It adds carbohydrates to the soil for microorganisms to feed on so they can use that energy to do beneficial work for the plant.. The plants themselves really don't touch it.. Good soil should be loaded with complex carbs to begin with, and plants actually dump a bunch of simpler ones into the soil themselves.. Carbs can't hurt though, and it doesn't need to be molasses.. Pretty much anything sweet that you can dissolve in water will add some simple carbs to the soil..
Word of advice, get thinking about composting if you have limited resources.. And research typical compositions of manures from animals you can get access too.. And if you see bone meal anywhere, that is roughly 0-10-0..
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the South Indian sativa.... which is the main constituent in our best weed called kerala gold......
if this is what ur talking abt.... then yes it exists an no i havnt seen it grow..... but im asking a frnd abt it now an will let u know what i find......
Thanks! Question is whether or not it has been "bastardized" with indica.

Another question - what latitude is this indigenous (kerala) cannabis grown at? How's the potency compared to the usual?

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What kind of soil are you using?? If you just collected it yourself then describe it, and where you got it from..
The better your soil health to begin with, the less benefit you'll see with molasses.. It adds carbohydrates to the soil for microorganisms to feed on so they can use that energy to do beneficial work for the plant.. The plants themselves really don't touch it.. Good soil should be loaded with complex carbs to begin with, and plants actually dump a bunch of simpler ones into the soil themselves.. Carbs can't hurt though, and it doesn't need to be molasses.. Pretty much anything sweet that you can dissolve in water will add some simple carbs to the soil..
Word of advice, get thinking about composting if you have limited resources.. And research typical compositions of manures from animals you can get access too.. And if you see bone meal anywhere, that is roughly 0-10-0..
im using really good potent soil..... atleast that is what ive been told by the locals.....
ive also been doing a lot of research on the soil i have an it has a lot of p2o5.....

the soil is best suited for fruits......

ive decided to just let these grow..... ill post pics aft the first harvest an check out ways of making it better

some pics (50 days into 12/12)


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Ok, well just keep doing what you're doing.. I thought you were just planning ahead, I had no idea you even had plants, let alone beautiful plants..
 

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