i was under the impression that a clone couldnt support any of her fan leaves or branches other than the central stem growth due to the lack of roots... i see your point though. i was misinformed then.... thanks UB

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A cutting can support the leaves if the environment is right. DO NOT take forum talk as gospel, do your own experiments and understand what makes a plant tick. If you have high RH, good light, then the more leaves you have retained on the cutting (within reason of course) the more simple/complex carbos those leaves will produce, which means they will provide the nourishment for cell division/elongation....where ever that may happen to be on the plant material. In this case, you're trying to induce root production. You aint gonna get a good flush of roots if you aint got the very unit that provides for their production.

Just an observation also as I see it all the time - don't try to paint gardening with a broad stroke, it is NOT black and white. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts. You must take into consideration ALL factors that involve botanical processes. You don't know how many times I get these questions, "help, my leaves are falling off, what is the problem?" without the poster offering any details of his day to day practices. My recourse is to try to pull enough info out of him to make some kind of decent educated guess, and many times it's a guess at that. Why? Because growers sometimes won't disclose info needed for a diagnosis because they won't take responsibility for their fuck-ups or botanical ignorance. How many times have you seen a noob blame their issues on some arbitrary thing like pH or a Mg deficiency? Most of them wouldn't know a Mg deficiency if it bit 'em on their ass.

End of rant,
UB

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How can I tell where the second True node is? And Should i Cut the branch at an angle or jsut an even 180

i couldn't agree more UB- i also understand your point on cuttings... leaving leaves on makes much more sense, just never thought of it the way you put it. well, we'll see if my cutting survives then... and if not, i know better for next time now. once again UB you've helped me out with great info... Thank You.

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You're welcome. Get away from the forum hype and learn botany, what makes a plant tick, and you'll do fine.

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Thanks to UB for getting this info out there! Way more here than just 4 juicy colas for sure. I remember the ten dollar oz's from the 60's and grew under lights in the early 70's inspired by Murphy Stevens' book. I love our herb as much as ever and it feels good to be growing my own again. I hope I can keep rational about it and learn to understand what my plants want from me. It's too easy to go overboard and blow the whoe grow. I like this thread very much.
Thanks,
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H. Hopper

Welcome to the thread HH. Also, glad you're having a good time. You must be an old pHart like me who remembers the days of buying lids for $8.

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I remember prices hovering around $8.00 to 10 and $115 Lbs. Inflation sucks but hey Least we're enjoying!

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Just wanted to say gracias UB and many props for a job well done. Wish I would have read this about 6 weeks ago....I might not had to remodel my closet........10 oz's , Levi jeans, and hitch hiking was safe...........that my friends was different time indeed......

I just learned so much from this thread, thanx Uncle Ben. <3

One question, has anyone determined how much longer a topped plant takes to flower, compared to an untopped plant? I want to top soon, but I am also on sort of a deadline...