Sex doesn't matter, at least not in this case. Topping does NOT stress a plant. Growers who don't know what makes a plant tick is what stress's a plant. Top, grow and then sex.

born2killspam, it's an issue of weighing the pros and cons I guess. SCROG is a maintenance headache a fact the proponents usually do no reveal. No, I haven't tried it but then again I'm pretty good at covering all the bases before I venture out into anything, cannabis, buying a new refrigerator, etc.

Make it a great day,
UB

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Proponents of anything usually don't reveal the downsides.. Horse fanatics are probably in a league of their own for that, but growing itself comes with alot more work and stress than alot of ppl on these forums bother to mention..
But for a crop or two, a restrictive screen probably tripled that work/stress for me..

born2kill and did you notice a yield increase from using the screen? If so, how much?

You'll only see a yield increase if you aren't otherwise training for better light penetration.. Theres nothing magical about a screen, its just a way to orient buds in a uniform fashion.. If your plants don't want to grow uniformly then you're setting yourself up for alot of grief.. Individual tie-offs definately have advantages..
And if you want any chance at success at all, you need to plan the scrog from day 1.. You're setting yourself up for a world of hurt if you think you can snake an established garden through a screen..
Also, when topping as per UB's method, most plants (especially sativa type phenos) will adopt growth patterns that allow the light to get where it needs to go without excessive training like scroging..

Thx for the info, one more for you though..... Okay i cut above the 2nd true node..... now do i leave the baby leaf nodes on there or cut them off ... if you left them wouldnd't you end up with 6 buds? thax

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General rule of thumb is if you don't have a reason for cutting something off, don't cut it off..

I've been curious about this as well. When you say, "go long days", do you mean give them 18-24 hours of light per day? Also, do cannabis genetics guarantee that all cuttings will return to producing opposing nodes? If not, are there any techniques you would recommend for improving the chances of producing opposing nodes?

This thread is great. Thanks a lot for sharing your expertise, UB. You too, borntokillspam. +rep for both of you!

edit: Sorry, UB. No rep for you. I'm told I have to spread it around a bit before giving you another one. I gave you one back on page 1 the first time I read this thread. But thanks nonetheless.

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Mods should just bump his status up a few thousand points for ppl unaware of his history.. I'm guessing he doesn't care about points that much himself..

My good friend answered this well, don't cut unless you know what affect your action has on the plant. Those "baby leaf nodes" I assume are your first "leaves", a rounded single blade on each side of the stem? Those (cotyledons) are actually not leaves, they are food reserves for the embryo. They will be exhausted and then drop off. No, I don't count the cotyledons as your first node.

Yep.

I have reveged a couple of times and this is what I observed - with the switch to say.....a 20/4 and additional N, the plant will revert back to its juvenile stage. You should see opposing node sites, juvenile leafsets (single but more likely 3 leaf leafsets) as it progresses. It's a phytochrome thingie, the plant is responding to hormonal changes induced by the lengthening days. The N boost (30-10-10) just helps it along regarding foliage production versus reproductive.

You're welcome! Glad you're playing along.

Thanks. Appreciate the effort but not necessary.

I value it only as a quick way to say "hi" or such. Problem here is there is not a name attached to rep, at least not with the browser I'm using. Hell, until last week I didn't know there was a 'shop' button or ads here. I do not see any using SeaMonkey. Ya learn sumtin' everyday.

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