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I think you are better off ...doing you hormone study first giving you better than genetic capabilities - root uptake stem size and capacity etc, then introduce a concept such as more hydrogen.

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In my equation, I am saying there are 6 H2O's needed, in your equation you say there are 12 H2O's needed... How is that the same? Am I missing something? Your plants do NOT get Hydrogen Intra-cellular. It uptakes through mainly the roots and leaves. It HAS to pull Hydrogen from either the atmosphere or more commonly Water as it is 2 Hydrogen 1 Oxygen... Do a little search, I'm not pulling this out of my ass.

This doesn't explain anything but what Nutrients are Uptaken at different pH levels, which are widely known. Give me a chart at which Plant absorb Hydrogen, Carbon, and Oxygen and I will bow to you... and they DO absorb all 3 of those from either Roots or Leaves.

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i actually think it makes sense ill be interested to see what happens when u try it (if)

That looked like info on a similar electrolytic fuel cell. Pretty much what I am talking about to separate/combine the Hydrogen to the Oxygen.

Did they do Hormone studies or mess with genetic capabilities before they figured out Carbon rockets MJ or any plant at that? Nah, Stoney McClown pry popped a Regulator on his CO2 Tank back in the 60's and blew his plants up instead of Balloons. or whatever lol.. nah- Hydrogen is complex but in this case it seems simple. Simple as Carbon, we all know that increases growth. I'm def. doing this but I am still curious if anyone can debug this theory before I try. Or if anyone thinks it may work... very curious to see peoples opinions on this.

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This topic is over my head but im subscribing,it will take me a week to digest all the info contained so far but i will,hopefully this topic yeilds some sort of consensus.

Plus rep for all of you contributing to this topic.

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My equation is 6 CO2 + 12 H2O + photon energy → C6H12O6 + 6 O2 + 6 H2O
I never said 10 H2O. The extra 6 on the left side of the equation cancel out the 6 produced on the right giving us
6 CO2 + 6 H2O + photon energy → C6H12O6 + 6 O2
which is completely identical to yours.

I didn't say plants get hydrogen intracellularly, I said that is where the photosynthesis is taking place so that's where the hydrogen is coming from during the act of photosynthesis, off of the water molecule.
Relax, I'm not trying to argue, but explain. I'm not sure what kind of chart you want about absorbing carbon oxygen and hydrogen. Roots absorb oxygen and water, whereas leaves absorb the CO2 for the carbon. There is no H+ on the left side of the equation, it is all bound by water. Increasing hydrogen ions does nothing to increase water intake of the plant, only lowers pH, what more can I say.
The reason I included the chart is because it went along with the post that I quoted above about CEC. It explains why plants need a pH 5.8-6.2 in hydro and 6.5-6.8 in soil which started off your thinking (and also why hydro is less forgiving). What he is saying is that the plant does absorb best at pH 5.8 but first has to have a cation exchange with the clay in the soil. So basically, what I said before about having something to do with the buffer capacity of soil is the reason for the difference.

Thanks Panhead, good to see you here. I hope this works as well.. If you don't already understand it, reading back this thread should at least give you a good idea of where I'm coming from.

Yea man, I'm not getting short... I am just more blunt when I debate or try to prove something. I typo'd n said 10 I corrected to 12 but I still don't understand how your equation is the same as mine when your's requires twice as much H20 to get the same Sugar Molecule?.. Hydrogen HAS to be absorbed by either roots or through leaves.. the plant doesn't just create Hydrogen itself.. well maybe some plants but not WEED. "Intra-Cellular" or in the leaf or whatever is where photosynthesis takes place... But the stem carries the Nutrients, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Carbon through the roots and leaves to deliver to the "stations" to create glucose molecules. Your right and previously we talked about adding JUST hydrogen atoms. You bind the Hydrogen extracted from one Res. tank to Oxygen being fed through a normal air line, this can be done by electrolysis or whatever. The Hydrogen atoms should reattach to the oxygen in the air line, then a Hydrogen Rich Oxygen mixture will be delivered to your plants roots.

Again I'm not getting short or anything and sorry for coming off that way. I don't dis-belive what your saying in the bottom paragraph as nutrients are readily available for the roots to absorb anytime but soil buffers and released timely as well... Hydrogen could be just as big of a factor, no one ever questions its use... Maybe because not many people knew of Hydrogen Fuel cells until recently even though the information has been right in our faces for years???

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I'm not a botanist but I don't think you are correct. Plants need oxygen for respiration, but roots don't 'take in O2' and transport it any more than it does carbon. It only takes in and transports H2O and nutrients from the roots up the stems and leaves. Both oxygen and hydrogen are bound in the water molecule. Your comment just doesn't make sense. It gets all of the hydrogen it needs from water. The plant is 80% water by weight, I think that's plenty of both hydrogen and oxygen.
Think of this, we 'need' hydrogen too, should I just chug some muriatic acid?
All of the hydrogen we need for our biochemical cycles can be cleaved off of the water molecule just like the plant does.

You also said:
You are describing watering your plants.
This is the whole crux of what I'm saying. Hydrogen and oxygen are needed by the plant. It gets most of both from water. Roots need oxygen to respire so the energy created can be used to transport nutes and water. I have looked and cannot find any H+ on the left side of any of the chemical reactions that plants use. Your idea began from the difference between soil and hydro pH and I think the CEC answers that pretty well.

As for the equation. I'm not sure how to explain it any better than is that yours is a simplified version of mine. In order to complete 'one cycle' 12 molecules of water are needed but there are 6 left over after the cycle. If you cancel 6 water molecules from each side of the equation, mine turns into yours.
Here's and excerpt from Wikipedia:

A commonly used slightly simplified equation for photosynthesis is:
6 CO2(g) + 12 H2O(l) + photons → C6H12O6(aq) + 6 O2(g) + 6 H2O(l)
carbon dioxide + water + light energy → glucose + oxygen + water
The equation is often presented in introductory chemistry texts in an even more simplified form as:[3]
6 CO2(g) + 6 H2O(l) + photons → C6H12O6(aq) + 6 O2(g)

By the way. You might take a look at the Calvin Cycle.
In that cycle, 2 hydrogen ions are produced:
3 CO2 + 6 NADPH + 5 H2O + 9 ATP → C3H5O3-PO32- + 2 H+ + 6 NADP+ + 9 ADP + 8 Pi

It got those ions from water too.

I know Hydrogen and Oxygen can form to be several different things but depending on the buffer plate things you use for the electrolysis it will do what you want. Whatever the equation is.. it still proves that 3 Elements are CLEARLY needed to create a glucose molecule, Oxygen, Hydrogen, and Carbon. All 3 can be artificially created and supp'd correctly should speed growth dramatically.... in theory

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