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Old 08-29-2008, 07:11 AM
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One of my proteges grew Afghani Mango and Silver Pearl in the same room, and had a hermie mango pollinate another mango.

I have some of the seeds, and was wondering, I know they aren't stable, and are they growable? Or will their be genetic deficiencies.

But parents were cloned from the same mother.

It's my understanding, that these are feminized seeds, but need to be back crossed. What should I expect from them if I flower? Without backcrossing?

I wanted to cross it with super skunk, but don't know if I need to backcross first...

New to breeding

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Old 08-29-2008, 11:17 AM
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If you're a serious grower then the answer is no.. The risk just isn't worth it.. But if you just wanna take a stab at it then knock yourself out.. It will give you good experience.. There is a chance that flukes happened and the seeds are actually pretty stable, but not bloody likely seeing as there was a mystery hermie involved.. Its easy-to-herm trait will likely carry over quite pronounced..
But hey, if you don't got anything to lose, or anything better to do, and keep an eye on pollen sacs then you could get some decently low seed bud, and experience spotting hermies..
If you have friends with serious grows though, pollen from your plants could put their crop at risk!!

Edit: Sorry, somehow I missed the breeding question.. Responsibly you should back cross it many times.. It would be easier to recreate the genetics with new seeds, and then keep back crossing phenos of that for overall stability rather than waste back crossing generations selecting the most stress resistant plants..

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That's kinda what I thought, I figured the seeds would be more likely to hermie... If I want to breed, I'm gonna start with seeds from a reliable source... Thought I might be able to cross those mango seeds...

Oh well, thanks...

I guess I'm gonna pop some seeds I got from Jamaica while visiting Nine Mile, Bob Marley's house/tomb. I bought a sack from the locals there and savesd the seeds, pretty decent weed, I could tell strenghts in the genes.
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I know they aren't stable, and are they growable? Or will their be genetic deficiencies.

Yes they are growable! and if that hermie was female at first then there is good changes to get only 99.9% female seeds but if that hermie was in genetic then it's 50/50 but hermie seeds produce never ever male plants only female and hermie plants !!

if you have like 2-3 females and everything going good and yu want to do some female seeds, then stress one of female plants, that much it turns hermie and let it pollinate others or stress all of the plants then they turn hermie and youll will get 80 to 99.9% female plants
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for infromation!

Hermies cause problems because they may carry the hermie
trait with their offspring. In fact, genetically the hermie will only
produce female seeds and hermaphrodite seeds. It will never produce a
male seed. If you have ever seen all female seeds been advertised by
seed-banks then you should have the right to know that these seeds
come from female plants which are stressed into producing male
flowers. The plants then self-pollinate themselves and the results are
female and hermaphrodite seeds. In a special case a female known as
an XX female will produce more female seeds than hermaphrodite
seeds. That is how female seeds are created. In general growers try to
keep away from any hermie plants because they will spoil a Sinsemilla
crop. Also having pollen floating around in your grow room from a
hermie plant will spoil everything else including breeding projects.
Abnormal bud growth is a side effect of this. Because the
plant produces male pollen sacks in with female flowers you may
notice that the bud looks different. Also the quantity of female bud
produced is decreased because of pollination.
Early induced flowering is not technically forcing your plant
to flower. If you force flower on one strain that has not pre-flowered it
will flower at roughly the same time as an exact copy of the same
strain which has been flowered only when the pre-flowers appear
naturally. Force flowering simply acts by stressing the plant into a
crisis condition.
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So what you're saying is feminized seeds are from all females that have been pollinated by a hermie female plant... That was what I thought.

I didn't know that the seeds they produce will be only female or hermies... I was hoping for a male, to breed with. Hermies will only create more hermie seeds... And thats no good.

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Breeders of feminized seeds go through alot of stress testing while hunting for those resilient females that fight to stay pure female longer than any others.. When they find this girl, they stress the heck out of it (usually chemically) to force it to herm against its will.. They may then breed those offspring hoping for even more pronounced resilience in the lineage that they can select to feminize.. How selective you need to be to get good numbers I don't know, the one thing I do know is I'm always bummed out when seeds I want are only available in feminized version, because I don't trust any feminized seeds..
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Born2killspam thats right...

but female seeds fem seeds are from female plants which are turn hermie with long stress only female x female = female got it...

so if other female pollinate other female there we got female.. but that is tricvky thing because female ( feminized ) seed's are not stabel they may carry hermie gen.. so someday you might got some female seeds and there is 1-3 hermie with too,
or all seeds can be hermie.. that happens so that's why some people not like to use feminized seed's

mainly the seed companys made feminized seed stress with gas.. that gas what name i dont remmember now but you can find it and buy it some site's or some stores.
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Intense amounts of ethane would be a decent candidate for gas.. I've always heard of them spraying with gibberelic acid, or colloidal silver..
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You know, I along with countless others, thought feminized seeds were guarenteed female. That's what they claim. I DID'T realize that they could be hermie seeds and ruin your garden.

Breeders don't mention hermie seeds when they're selling, just 100% female.

Gibbaleric acid, that's what I've heard, works.

Never heard of colloidial silver being used... Ever seen the blue guy who drinks it daily?
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