Buds not dense enough

**SimpleSimon** · 08-26-2008, 12:54 AM

So i just finished my second grow and am now smoking it.

My buds are light and fluffy. Not hard and heavy

400watt HPS/ cool tube (light very close to plants w/out burn)
Soil Mega home made mixture First one was pretty plain. Second one when all out with total organic EVERYTHING. And i used a large wide variety of ferts and styles, without burning.

Question: Is it my light? Would 1000 fatten those bitches up? What if i use both my 400hps and 400MH at the same time.?

**durbinexpress** · 08-26-2008, 01:03 AM

how many plants and sq feet are you trying to light? the light close to the plants might not cause bleaching but you have to mind the tempature. to much heat will dry out the buds while growing and leave you with a finnished product that will be very light and the bowl will burn in one or two hits. look up the recomended height for your light. it should be listed on the manafucture site for the lights. if not search on here for the right height. I am not sure but i think that for a 400w light, you need to keep the light like 2' from the plants. with my 1000w I keep the light atleast 2', 3' if I have the room. air cooled lights and fans in the room to controll the temp also allows you to bring your lights closer to the plants. look out for yellowing in the center of the plants, that indicates light bleaching.

**FLoJo** · 08-26-2008, 02:47 AM

durbine is spot on but also the amount of light makes a huge difference in the density of your buds... i have heard advanced nutes bigbud carbo load and overdrive can help fatten and stiffen up the buds but while i am in the process of using them have never finished a crop with them... on the other hand a 1k watter will make dense buds fosho...

long story short if you want dense buds increase light intensity.. get the 1k if you can control temps

**SimpleSimon** · 08-26-2008, 09:00 AM

Yeah, im running a cool tube right now. So i have NO problems with heat.

**durbinexpress** · 08-26-2008, 10:14 AM

do you have a thermometer in you room? if not you might want to get one just to be safe

**Thraxz13** · 08-26-2008, 02:52 PM

Yea mine are four weeks in 1000 wts I am using Dr Hornbys Bloom and some seaweed extract any suggestions on how to fatten them up!! Also does molasses do anything for them!

**Silky Shagsalot** · 08-26-2008, 03:12 PM

usually heat and low rh affect the denseness of your buds. you may also need to change your bulb. how old is it? i read up in your thread where there was a suggestion to keep your light 2 feet away from your plants. MISTAKE!! a 400 watter can be very close and not cause heat issues. i keep a 1000 watter 18" from my tops. i have a 6" vented hood that keeps things very cool.

**asdfva** · 08-26-2008, 03:17 PM

Don't believe the hype.

What strain are you growing?
That would be my first question.

Some strains grow light and airy.
Next I would ask for complete specs.

I have no problems with 400w hps,
no cool tube, and I have it no more
thank 14" away from the tops of my
plants. Also, how did you cure your
harvest? So many things can factor
how your end product will be, but in
this case having too little info...

I would blame the strain before I
blame the light, but there are totally a
slew of other scenarios, and potential
habits, that could cause this problem.

Need more input.

**2supra4u** · 08-26-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by asdfva

Don't believe the hype.

What strain are you growing?
That would be my first question.

Some strains grow light and airy.
Next I would ask for complete specs.

I would blame the strain before I
blame the light, but there are totally a
slew of other scenarios, and potential
habits, that could cause this problem.

Need more input.

Was exactly what I was going to say, but I got down to the bottom and it was said for me. Even if your growing all of the same strain...if it's from seed, females could easily differ by bud formation or potency, among the other MANY things.

Get some quality seeds or cuttings known for dense buds and i'm sure you will be fine.

My first grow was Skunk#1....not even from a quality seed company....they came from my roomates outdoor grow....with my new 400w (at the time about 2 years ago) I flowered 3 plants I had and left the best one (5th) up in my closet in my room for a mom. I ended up with 2 females (plus the mom in the closet so 3 total). The mom I ended up wasting....it was 5+ feet when I took it outof my closet LOLOL. So what I did was cut every branch and use them for clones and gave most to my buddies. I got some nice top buds from the 400. However it coulda been much better cuz one was 3+ feet and the other was like 2feet cuz it was stunted. All in all 400w was fine.

Here are some pics i found from back then....vegging...early flowering....mid flower....late flower 2 pics.... my 5 foot mom (Pepe)....clones.....harvest

**born2killspam** · 08-26-2008, 04:33 PM

I tend to agree on the strain factor.. I give your setup the benefit of the doubt since you were slick enough to go cool-tube.. A second note on the strain question though - How long did you flower them for? Alot of plants have a beefy surge at the end.. The buds may not appear to be growing, simply filling in the space between the calyxes.. Do you have a magnifier to look at your trichromes?