thanks skunkluvr, ill try all of the above, I bought a ton of stuff to kill them with but I am still struggling to get rid of them, I looked under one of my biggest leaves and looked at it in the light and saw hundreds of eggs underneath the leaves and I was pissed off as hell, knowing these fucks are still around means I will get more nasty on these guys, wish me luck yall, here I go again.

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