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Originally Posted by Seamaiden  I'd like to address this, as my own stance has been firm from the beginning.
Taliban: No one gave a shit before the attacks on 9/11. For some reason, people think the Taliban were involved. The only thing the Pashtun tribes did was NOT give up the guy who stuck with them through the ENTIRE Soviet thing. |
Very nice spin sweet lady. OBL and his group kept to themselves, it was only after he was forced from saudi and then sudan when he went back to afghanistan that he hooked up with the taliban as they needed money and he needed a place to stay this is how and why they became allies.
A lot of people gave a shit as did I but nothing could be easely done. Though the taliban weren't directly involved saying that they weren't involved wouldn't be correct eather.
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Originally Posted by Seamaiden Us? We gave weapons (to bin Laden and Hussein, more on that later), we gave training, including on torture. |
The US didn't give weapons nor training to OBLs group past the use of the stingers and as I have stated theres not any proof of that.
I will await your post on saddam.
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Originally Posted by Seamaiden While the Taliban was destroying the Buddhas no one gave a shit. |
I did as I would when anything of such art and age was destroyed.
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Originally Posted by Seamaiden And honestly, why should we? Why should we expect the entire rest of the world to live exactly as we do? They've had their cultural traditions for a hell of a long time. I say let them fight the shit out for themselves.
Same thing with the Iraqis. |
I could debate some of this but I don't dissagree.
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Originally Posted by Seamaiden No one ever values what they didn't have to work or fight for themselves as much as that which they did. |
I value almost all things but what you say is true sadly.
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Originally Posted by Seamaiden We should NOT have given Hussein those weapons that he used against the Kurds |
I will await your post with proof of this.
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Originally Posted by Seamaiden (who we now allow the Turks to bomb after giving them assurances we were allied), but we did. The Kurds fight and fought. |
The Kurds understood that we were allied only for a time, and their fight with the turks would never be supported by the US. This fight with the turks couldn't bring about what they want.
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Originally Posted by Seamaiden The rest of the Iraqis? Fuck 'em! They should have fought their own Goddamn battle!
What babies? They are still taking women out of school, in Afghanistan and Pakistan. What are we going to "do" about Pakistan? We'd better do nothing.
Addressed above. |
I do not dissagree.
[qoute]=Seamaiden;826857]I get the feeling you're trying to make our oil imperialism about more altruistic purposes, and those were ostensible at best. In truth, they don't exist because no one really gives a shit.[/quote]
Here you are just wrong. The part that OIL plays is that the money that it brings can be used to cause problems and it has over and over.
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Originally Posted by Seamaiden I agree and disagree. We shouldn't be there, no one should be. We can NOT be the world police. What's ironic is that so many of these people want us to be the world police, yet resent us for acting as such. Of course, self-funding police are a rather dangerous thing, aren't they?
Honestly, if we were SO altruistic in our actions, how did Rwanda happen, exact? How about Zimbabwe (and now yet again)? The list is long and exhausting. |
Thay don't have OIL money to spread their problems.
[quoteSeamaiden;826857]Heh.. then we let everyone be, let everyone kill each other off. Honestly. that's how I feel a lot of the time. Let them have it, let them have at each other, we need to take care of our problems at home.
As for "liberal" versus "conservative, what a fucking CROCK!
I give you HR 4279, which our representatives have overwhelmingly passed and is now moving on to the Senate. Whores.[/quote]
I don't dissagree.
I will await your post on saddam.