you people are all sheep........cfls are not more bang for your buck.....hid is the way to go....the amount of cfls you need to match the light output of hid is more costly to buy and opperate...and the myth that cfls run cooler than hid....b.s....sure one cfl doesnt put out much heat...but when you are shoving 12 23w cfls in a 1x1 it gets pretty warm...just as warm as the hid that is equal in power and lumens.......

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