thanks guys. cabbage haha . i just never moved the light on the aerogarden until they almost touch then bam i move it up n up under a mh light . as far as the soil ones go . the cage i have them in is for veg stage only till i move em to my other closet. and hit em with 1000w hps. the bowl is for my dry ice and humidity. the dry ice bubbles and give off the co2. helps a lot.