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Originally Posted by GoldenAss
Hey--I'm going to give up a little to my ignorance on just what you were talking about. I don't know the issue, and if there is significant proof to give parents objections merit, I fully support them, and an investigation should be launched.
I'm from Wisconsin. Rural Wisconsin. Some of my neighbors are Amish, religious whack jobs that won't drive cars, but will ride in them, and BS like that. A few years ago, an Amish girl was real sick. She needed some intense medicine, but the Amish don't believe in medicine/technology. She would have died, but the State jumped in and said, "Fuck you, you are worthless parents." And she lived. And thank no-God for the State willing to tell parents where to go when they fail their children.
I assumed it was more like that, and in that respect made a mistake. But the point is, children are not property, of anyone. Parents should have full authority, right up to the point where the child suffers harm because of it.
You attacked my positions, but not specifically. So I cannot respond to anything else.
But, most generally, Orwellian State = Patriot Act, phone-tapping, waterboarding, and stealing my tax money to kill Iraqis. That's evil stuff. The people giving these vaccines are probably all good people, it's just the information--how safe they are--thats disagreed upon.
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again, there is never an excuse for the state to intervene on behalf of children unless the parents are intentionally and purposefully harming their children.
you argue that the parents were somehow neglectful because they shun modern medicine. who are you to demand that they discard their faith in the Sovereign Creator of the universe in favor of modern medicine? what gives your faith in medicine any level of superiority to faith in anything else that one might have, especially faith in the God that made everything with only His thoughts? my belief is that He uses medicine so i wouldn't avoid treatment but it is their natural right to do so as an affirmation of THEIR faith.
you said the girl "would have died" as thought it is fact but it is not fact, it is at best speculation. you don't know. and even if she had died that would not have been a failure of the parents at all. catastrophic illness kills people every day. is that your fault or my fault? people live and people die. they have the absolute right to trust in God for all things and for the state to play god is wrong. you can look down and make fun all you want but it doesn't change the reality that children belong to their parents. not like an external property but rather as an extension of themselves.
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