after searching thru all of his shit i finall y did find some useful info on that simple gifts thing with the doug guy but the others really didnt provide much.but so you know why i goit pissed instead of just posting the shit your self or qouting him directly since you obviously have read them and can put it in lamen terms is a bit easier than sifting thru sales bullshit and skimming thru all kinds of other shit.i can be a prick sometimes and i havent found a plant that gives me patience.this is not your fault and sorry to take it out on you i guess...