what a great post! Musical Suicide, did you write that yourself or did it come from somewhere?

i like to use the following paradox to make the proselytizers stopand THINK for once:

hypothetical situation: there is a family of three - a mother, father, and son.
the mother and father are perfect in the eyes of god. they have not committed sin, and they deserve to rest in paradise eternally when they pass on.
the son, however, lives sinfully and denounces god, and deserves to live eternally in pain.

the family is all killed in a natural phenomena.

now, the mother and father go to heaven. they require all the things that would make them happy, and this includes having their son eternally nearby them, and for him also to be eternally happy. this is a thing god cannot refuse, because they deserve to be eternally happy.

two possible cases arrise:
1) send the son to hell as he deserves, and have an illusive replacement to keep the parents happy. this, however, means that heaven is a farse because it presents a false truth and is therefore misleading. heaven is therefore imperfect.
2) send the som to heaven as the parents deserve to have him. his soul cannot reside in two places at once, however, so he must reside only in heaven (now there are two more cases:
2)a. the son's soul rests happily and peacefully in heaven. therefore he does not receive punishment for his sins. this means that there is a 'back door' to heaven.
2)b. the son's soul is in heaven, but it feels pain inflicted as punishment. therefore heaven is imperfect, because no one should feel any pain in such a utopia.

the afterlife is mighty confusing.

i want to hear a real, foolproof way that this can work. come one, come all. none of them work. either there is a necessary illusion, or it cannot be possible. in any case an illusion is used for the solution, please accept this as a fatal error in the logic of a perfect heaven.

anyway, Musical Suicide's post reflected just about every one of the reason's i have ever agreed with in the bounds of the religious discussion. +rep !!!!