yes i get and agree. they are the externalized persona of the way we feel. no more. life is empty and meaningless. we humans put meaning were there is none. that is the point i am trying to make. i dont actually believe in jesus being the savior of mankind. or that the devil presides over hell. its nonsense!

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If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on. - Terence McKenna