i ordered a germination kit from nirvana almost a month ago, they have no excuse. it was credit card and the germination kit is in no was illegal. Maybe its taking an extremely long time, but my money was processed and the item was "shipped." i don't think i'll use them again. That was why i tried the germination kit, i only lost $12. I'm gonna try gypsy, it seems much better, and more success stories seem to emerge from them